When the battle never seems to end

The repeated cycles lines are quite often the ones to blame when a battle never seems to end no matter how much you bind and cast out.

This line basically puts other demonic lines in a loop state, so when you bind it, it moves to the back of the line instead of returning to hell. Thus the line repeats itself no matter how much you bind it.

To deal with this bind the hierarchy and generals from operation over the leadership of the repeated cycles line under all hemispheres, and bind the line from operation over the person place or thing.

You then ask God to release his counter angels upon the situation and person place or thing.

It’s interesting to note, that as a counter in some situations, you can also ask God to release his own repeated cycles lines upon a situation or person. Thus the battle must be won before things settle down

Lines: important to note: use English translations when in prayer asking for binding or loosing. Unless you’re native language is different it just makes your prayer more effective.

 

Repeated Cycles

Northern Hemisphere

AnakukOver the lines of repeated cycles – under Agrat Bat Mahlet

Eastern hemisphere

Anakuk – Over the lines of repeated cycles – under Kannon

Western Hemisphere

Anakuk – Over the lines of repeated cycles. Double chain – under Astaroth

Southern Hemisphere

Anakuk – Over the lines of repeated cycles – under Lakshma

The destruction chain

Anakuk (Kolazo – punish)

* ? (Ekpipto – none effect / inefficient)

** ? (Anaq – strangling)

*** ? (Anaq – choke)

**** ? (Chaga – revolve in terror)

***** ? (Odune – grief / sorrow)

The motivation chain

Phoenix (Adialeiptos – permanent / continual ) – Under Anakuk

* ? (Yasaph – continue to do a thing)

** ? (Sabab – repeat)

*** ? (Shub – return to)

The Social Pariah lines.

Edusa (Bala – swallow up / destroy) – Under Anakuk

* ? (Qarats – mold a vessel)

** ? (Maog – feast upon / parasite)

*** ? (Charaq – gnash / grate)

**** ? (Laeg – mocker / stammering)

***** ? (Nekeh – traducer / false statements)

****** ? (Chashab – fabricate / plot)

******* ? (Asaph – gather together)

******** ? (Sheqer – sham / without a cause)

********* ? (Tsela – adversary / fall / halt)

********** ? (Gadal – magnify against)

*********** ? (Chaneph – soiled with sin)

************ ? (Rachab – make room / broaden)

************* ? (Shachach – bow down / depress / bring low)

************** ? (Shoah – tempest / rush over)

 

Counters

Loose upon the legions

Apoluo – let subjects go

Balah – wax old)

Akal – eat them up

Shakab – lie down

Charab – dry up

Loose upon the subject

Proskateres – Perseverance

Hupomone – Endurance

Makrothumia -Longsuffering

Hagnotes – pureness

Gnosis – knowledge

Chrestotes – kindness / useful to Lord

Agape – love

Anupokritos – sincere / unfeigned

Phos – light of the Lord

Katharizo – cleanse

Aima – plead blood of Jesus

Sophrosun – self control / sound mind

Sozo – be saved

Teknogonia – maternal duties

Meno – continue in faith

Hagiasmos – holiness

Skirtao – joy of the Lord

Tharrheo – courage / boldness

Boethos – help

Aletheuo – truth

Challamiysh – set as flint

Elpis – confidence

Doxazo – glorify the Lord

Parrhesia – boldness for the Lord

Dunamis – power of the Lord

Charis – grace

Yare – fear the Lord

Shama – obey Lord’s voice

Batach – trust the Lord

Shaan – stay upon the Lord

A break in the chain

it’s important to remember that demons have to resort to trickery a lot of times when dealing with humans.  Eve was tricked first. then used to seduce her husband.

but what does this mean to us now and how does it apply to battles now?

when you bind directly via taking direct authority over a demon you are currently facing in a raw manner. you might find the demon doesn’t seem to leave right?

this is quite often a trick. demons operate in literal lines. one stands behind the other, once the one in front in bound, or completes it’s task and leaves, the one behind it goes forward and starts it’s work, or if the previous demon was bound, picks up were the other left off.

in other words, it pretends to be the demon that was in front of it.  They can sound and act like the previous demon. this is so you are more likely to falter or stumble in your faith, questioning why your bindings aren’t effective. thus nullifying the binding.

MOMO

Apart of a grouping of online games such as the blue whale game, and slenderman. Momo has been credited with the death of at least 1 12 year old girl. The creation of such games falls into an odd category. The arts.

It’s common sense that objects can become cursed. without the owner actually doing anything but creating it however is lesser known knowledge. If someone creates an art piece that is demonically inspired, it is an open invitation for habitation, If someone who is demonically oppressed creates an art piece, a demon tormenting them from their stronghold can attach itself to the art piece.

I encourage you to read, the dangers of demonically influenced media

but now the real question, how to deal with it.

firstly you should be aware that if the child or person has willingly opened the door to this entity, they must repent and request be door shut by Jesus split blood and by his name.

the stories of children becoming afraid of the dark and being disturbed after exposure could potentially be a sign that the demon has let other demonic entities in (they like to attack like a pack, rarely will it be a single demon you are dealing with)

in such cases, a laying on of hands may be necessary to break the stronghold.

second- plead the blood of protection over you, your family (direct and indirect) friends, house and pets.

demons don’t go down without a fight commonly. and even when they do, they will try to retaliate if you do not take proper precautions to protect yourself and those you love.

thirdly- take the child or person. and lead in prayer with them. below you’ll find a prayer template. however I encourage you to pour your heart in it. beseech the lord. don’t just speak empty words.

 

Prayer template

We come before you lord in the name of our lord Jesus Christ, who came in the flesh and died to redeem us back to you.

Lord Jesus Christ we ask for you Covering, your Cleaning, and your covering of your blood of protection over us, our family, our families family, our pets, household and house as we come against the kingdom of Satan. we thank you for this.

5 second pause

Lord God almighty we come before you as sinners, we ask that you do not look upon our sins inequities and shortcomings but upon the precious split  blood of our lord and savior Jesus Christ whom died and has risen to redeem us back to you.

Thank you and praise you for all you’ve done for us. we know we don’t know all of it, but we are grateful for what we do see.

We ask lord God almighty that your hand of healing and protection be upon __________Name of person affected______ as we come against the kingdom of satan on their behalf.

  • person whom is affected- I repent lord God almighty of my involvement with ___________insert potential demonic open doors influences (video games, movies books ect)______

We ask that you please take authority over lucifer and bind him, and command him to bind his circles of 3 and command him to bind Beelzebub , Asteroth, Azazel, Sin and EL and command them to bind their circles of 3 from operating over the general Moloch, from operating over _____child’s name____

we also ask lord god almighty that any other influencing demon or attacking demon, be bound and cast back to hell and ordered never to return. that you loose over the legions involved.

Tame – Defiled
Nathats – Break down
Saraph – set on fire / burn away
Shabath – put down / desist
Daqaq – crush
Shalak – throw out
Nathats – beat down
Ruts – break down
Sur – take away
Zabach – slay
Baar – put away
Charon – fierceness
Aph – wrath

and the person involved

Zao / Thusia – Living sacrifice unto the Lord
Qara – read / address by name
Beriyth – covenant with Lord
Halak – walk after Lord
Shamar-keep commandments / hedge about
Qum – perform words of covenant
Yatsha – bring out
Alah – come to the Lord
Shub – turn to Lord

we ask this in Jesus name by the blood that he shed. and we put our faith trust and belief in you that even now it is being done.

we ask that any and all soul ties ___insert persons name__ has with the demonic or that is corrupted by the demonic directly or indirectly be covered in the blood of lord Jesus Christ and they be broken never to be remade and that soul ties between family and friends be remade in your perfect bond uncorruptable.

we thank you for your time and consideration, and thank you for loving us.

in Jesus name, by the blood that he shed.

  • All present- I stand in agreement

Amen.

 

 

 

 

 

How to anoint holy places.

sometimes the fight against the powers and principalities of the air becomes so intense you can make yourself a target. or the area you are fighting in becomes infested. when this happens it is an option to protect your dwelling and yourself.

pleading the blood of Christ often protects yourself and those around you. however it can be necessary to protect the structure or area you are in.

to do this take holy oil in hand pray to the lord. pray for the oil to act as a marking of the lord and as a barrier and protection for you and those in the area. ask that no none possessed or of ill intent may enter the area. Ask that any residing demons within the area be bound and cast out and that none may enter. ask for the area to be marked as a sanctuary for others whom the lord leads there.

As you pray, anoint the four corners of the structure if in a building. just take a dab on your finger and place a dab on the corners of the structure. also anoint in the same manner every entryway, window and possible conduit for demonic activity.  such as but not limited to, the TV, all four corners of, any media, movies, demonically influenced books and CDS.

what few know if demons often enter our homes through these mediums Few people know but music can cause possession as well as influence from demonic forces.  this is because many producers in the music industry cast spells over their artists work to sell more copies and spread it further.

to nullify the addictive qualities it has over youth and others, simply anoint with holy oil and pray for the demonic influence to be bound from operation and for the lord to release his holy angelic legions over the music and those being influenced.

If the person you are binding it from is highly addicted or influenced by the music. they will become agitated, angry and feel sick and confused, a sense of loss. this is the effects of the demonic withdrawal.

As a rule of thumb, the demonic is sweet going down, but acid coming up. they go nuts when being battled. expect a dramatic reaction if they have been there for awhile.

you don’t need to make it a big showy event, but work at night once people are asleep as this is a beautiful thing between you and the lord.  it is a personal thing. approaching the lord with heart in hand asking for him to save yourself and those you care about from an oppression.

 

 

Laying on of Hands

Laying on of Hands

What is Laying on of Hands?

Laying on of hands is a process of empowerment. In Christianity it is the process of empowering someone with the power of the holy ghost, or an invitation for the holy Ghost to work through or over a person. It is coupled with prayer which form is dependent on the application or purpose of the laying on of hands.

Who can do it?

Preachers-traditionally they are properly trained to preform a laying on of hands for the baptism of the holy ghost.

Healers- They use laying on of hands to heal, invite the holy ghost to operate a healing over a person.

Deliverance ministry workers- Use laying on of hands to preform exorcisms or any form of removal of the demonic.

anyone can really preform a laying on of hands, it just takes the right heart motive and training.

What does it do?

Baptism of the holy ghost

Through the acceptance of the holy ghost. The next process of becoming a Christian. First a person is baptized in water. This is a representation of the acceptance of Christs Sacrifice. It is the first step in becoming a Christian. This type of baptism comes at a later stage in the persons development.

After the person has been a Christian for awhile, they may have the second baptism. It starts with a laying on of hands coupled with a prayer led by the person giving the anointing. The prayer is one of acceptance of the Holy Ghost into the persons self.

This type of anointment is a type of Christian empowerment. After the person has received the Holy Ghost they will start to show signs of their spiritual gifting.

Rom_11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Rom_12:6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;

1Co_12:1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.

1Co_12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.

1Co_12:9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;

1Co_12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

1Co_12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

1Co_12:31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

1Co_14:1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.

1Co_14:12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.

The gifting of the Holy Ghost doesn’t always require a laying on of hands. For some gifting is a natural process of their development and happens automatically.

Now regarding what happens afterward. After you are gifted the next stage in your development is firey trials.

Mat_3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

It is to develop you into a citizen worthy of heaven. And is the stage of development after the baptism of the Holy Ghost.

Healing

Some peoples gifting is that of healing. This is their Calling and gifting. They go around to wherever they are instructed too and heal, everything from demonically induced illnesses to terminal illnesses. It is important to note that with this kind of gift comes a great deal of responsibility. Often the Healer will not move beyond their instructions on who or what to heal and when.

The healing is preformed in various ways. Some more effective then others.

A laying on of hands coupled with a prayer of faith and humble request for healing.

A laying on of hands coupled with an anointment of holy oil and a prayer of faith and humble request for healing.

No matter the method it always includes a prayer of faith and humble request for healing.

exorcisms

This is a more complex form of prayer coupled with laying on of hands. The more specific you are on what you are binding the more effective the prayer. This is coupled with loosing of angelic legions by way of request to the lord.

The laying on of hands creates a pathway for the holy ghost to work through you, into the person under attack. However the blood of protection should be sought beforehand as the reverse can always happen without protection.

Demonically influenced laying on of hands.

Demonically influenced laying on of hands can occur through anyone. It is a very real danger. In the Churches. In the occult. Even in the everyday people can preform a laying on of hands. A demonic laying of of hands is dramatic, you may collapse. You may feel a overwhelming powerful warmth. You may feel dizzy or faint afterward. This is because a spiritual influence has been passed on to you. It may try to mask itself as something good, however the more dramatic the laying on of hands is the more likely it is not of God.

Warning about the occult.

Satans kingdom is a replica of Gods kingdom. It is made up of ranks, lines and chains. A civilization devoted to feeding itself souls. In Satans kingdom there is a type of laying on of hands that can occur. It mostly used to create openings for possessions as well as to attach demonic empowerment chains that mimic the gifts of the holy ghost and pull the person into the white witch lines.

Some well known empowerment’s.

Weather control, wind, rain, snow, cloud control

elemental transformation, water to ice

communication with plants and animals, the wind, cars ect

prophecy

teaching

healing

miracles

Warning to those in the Church.

Just because you are in the church does not mean you’re safe from a false empowerment or possession caused through a laying on of hands by a demonically influenced individual. If your church leader preforms laying on of hands note how it affects people. If the person faints or dramatically responds or reports a dramatic response They have most likely received a false spiritual influence within themselves.

The lords spirit is quiet and calming, he does not hit you with massive feelings of ecstasy. Nor does he give you a dramatic feeling of warmth and kindness. He is quiet and careful.

Do not be deceived. And be careful who you let lay hands on you.

Proper Binding, Casting out, Loosing Over People

Proper Binding, Casting out, Loosing Over People

 

Where does the authority come from?

The actual authority used is Christs authority. It is extended to us for use by way of Christs desire. We operate using it much like a police officer. We have the same kind of relationship using Christs Authority as a police officer had with the government. Basically If you are stopped by a police officer, you obey him not because of his personal authority but because of the authority of the government backing him. This is an extension of the governing bodies authority given to the officer. In much the same manner, we do not have any independent authority. But an extension of Christs authority, given to us to serve and protect the body and society in general.

If abused the authority is revoked. Again much like a police officer, you have the authority of the state backing you, but once you abuse it, there is an internal investigation that can result in the removal of the officer.

what is binding?

Binding is the taking direct authority over Satans kingdom to prevent interaction, communication and/or operations against/with a person place or thing.. this is a temporary blocking of their ability to operate over a person, place, thing.

Binding on Earth: We are extended the authority to bind on Earth. What this means is any operations that are ongoing here on earth. We are given the authority to temporarily bind. When this happens the demon is temporally frozen.

Binding in Heaven: This is binding in the spiritual realms. The meaning is to bind within the spiritual realms. This is to bind the power and principalities of the air. We go to the lord for this kind of binding.

What is Casting out?

Casting out unlike binding is not the temporary freezing of a demon. But the general throwing out of one. As a general rule you bind the demon first than cast it out. In other words you freeze it than throw it out. Try to be specific as to where you are throwing it out to.

What is Loosing?

Loosing is basically the release of angelic legions and spirits of heaven to fill the void created by binding or casting out demons. You release them to counter act the affects of the demonic influence over the person, place or thing. After you have bound or cast out the demonic, The next step is loosing.

The importance of Faith: Faith is the a binding agreement. It is a show of belief in a subject. In this case it the belief that Christ came in the flesh and died for our sins and now sits at the right hand of God. Faith allows us to come against the powers of Darkness, without Faith, we cannot come against anything.

Step 1 binding and casting out:

Basic:

This is for people just starting to use authority. It’s extremely basic and general, it’s good for an extremely quick binding and casting out but other than that it’s nowhere near as effective as binding with more detail

Example: You’re in a dire situation, you are facing a demon, you need a quick binding and casting out.

Method: Demon I bind you and Cast you out in the name of Jesus Christ by the blood that he shed.

Intermediate:

This is used for basic binding and casting out of spirits and demons, it’s very general and is used as a quick fix or general method if you aren’t sure what’s working on the person. It is not as effective as more focused prayers.

Example: you have a friend called John that’s acting strangely, you aren’t sure what’s working on them, but you’re sure it’s spiritual.

Method: Demons, spirits currently operating against/within, interacting with or communicating with John I hearby bind you In the name of Jesus Christ by the blood that he shed, you are bound from operations, communications and interactions with John, you are to return to hell from whence you came and close any doors you opened along the way, you are to never return. this order is to be carried out imminently. And is to be carried out in the name of Jesus Christ by the blood that he shed.

Advanced:

This is more focused. The more focused the prayer is in identifying what exactly is working on the person the more effective the binding will be..

Example: you have a friend named fred who’s having trouble with Pride and hatred.

Method: Lucifer, I hear by take authority over you, I command you to bind your circles of three and I command you to bind, Beelzebub, Astaroth, Azazel, Sin and EL and command them to bind their circles of three from operating in the realms of (Pride and hatred) over (fred) this is a direct order given in the blood of lord Jesus Christ, and is to be carried out immediately in the name of Jesus Christ by the blood that he shed.

Advanced extended:

This is basically just including the generals and officers. If you are binding for someone regularly, it’s likely that they will pass the command of the legion over the person over to another lower rank singular.

Example: you’ve been binding a demon of rebellion over your child. But it doesn’t seem to have an affect anymore, it did in the beginning, but not anymore.

Method: Lucifer, I hear by take authority over you, I command you to bind your circles of three and I command you to bind, Beelzebub, Astaroth, Azazel, Sin and EL and command them to bind their circles of three and command them to bind the 10 generals of hell, and all commanding officers under them of from operating in the realms of (Pride and rebellion) over (childs name) this is a direct order given in the blood of lord Jesus Christ, and is to be carried out immediately in the name of Jesus Christ by the blood that he shed.

step 2 Loosing:

How to Loose: What to loose is dependent on what you’ve bound. It is the counter for the demon that was working on the person place or thing. binding so to be most effective you loose the opposing spirit of heaven. The closer to the mark of opposite you are the greater the affect. We do not have authority of over the loosing of spirits unlike the binding, we have to ask for the loosing of spirits of the Lord.

Spiritual voids: Are made when you bind or cast out without filling the void made by it. A void is a empty space. If not filled with a countering spirit you are open for re-establishment of the demonic influence. It is extremely dangerous to leave a spiritual void, so after binding you Loose the appropriate spirits over the subject.

Example: lets say you have bound a demon of dishonesty from a person called david.

Method: I come before you oh lord as a sinner, I ask that you do not look upon my sins inequities and shortcomings but upon the blood of your son lord Jesus Christ. What has been bound here on earth I humbly ask that it be bound in heaven as well. And I humbly ask that you loose over (david) you’re legions and spirits of (truth, honesty, integrity, and grace.)I ask that it be done by you’re will and not my own, for the greater glory of your kingdom, and in the name of Jesus Christ by the blood that he shed and I thank you for your time and consideration in this matter.

Disobeying direct orders, the chain of command:

If you’re dealing with a stronghold, or dealing with a demon that has gotten a grip for a long period of time, they may be resistant to leaving. There are cases of demons down right refusing to leave. If this is the case you take it higher up the rung, you take it to the Lord. Don’t give up, keep up the fight, that’s why there is call for endurance and resistance.

I come before you lord as a sinner, I ask that you don’t look upon my sins inequities and short comings but upon the blood of Lord Jesus Christ that was shed to save me from my sins, The demons are disobeying a direct order given in the blood, I humbly ask that you bind in heaven that which has been bound here on earth and enforce the binding. I ask that this be done by your will and not my own for the greater glory of your kingdom and in the name of Jesus Christ by the blood that he shed and I thank you lord for your time and consideration in this matter.

When to use binding and casting out:

You apply Binding and casting out in various situations. Depending on the severity of the situation it may take some time for it to take affect..It can be a case of a negative spiritual influence behind someone, or a full blown possession, regardless the methods do not change, these are some methods, the wording may change but the basics remain the same.

summoned demons: If you are dealing with demons you can see, or demons that are attacking people, pray for protection before you approach the subject, pled the blood of protection.

Dangers of contracts and verbal agreements: I’ve noticed a danger for new Christians is a type of attack that makes you deal with demons directly. Do not speak to them directly, if you have to speak, quote bible scripture. If they offer you a verbal agreement, that means they suggest something will happen and you say yes or no, no matter how ridicules it seems. DO NOT AGREE bind their sorry ass and cast them out instead. They can make it happen.

gift of prophecy: If you have the gift of prophecy. That is the ability to receive messages, words and/or images. Than you should learn to test the spirits as well as binding and casting out.

Prayer Combat

Prayer Combat

There are various methods of prayer for given situations. For combat or healing, general, repentance. Not that other kinds of prayer cannot be used in other situations it’s a case of effectiveness. The focus of the prayer. We alter the method and general template we use to suit the different focuses of the prayer.

In prayer combat there are higher risks. Now a basic prayer can be just as effective as a focussed one depending on the need where your faith is placed etc. however as a general rule the correct questions get the correct answers. You don’t ask how a shoe is made if you want to bake a cake. Neither do you ask for happiness if you need protection. So asking for the correct thing giving the desired effect is important.. There are ways this is done, but we’ll get into that later.

general rules:

The covering: is one of the lost important things to ask for, this allows us to go before the lords throne of grace. The covering is the acceptance and acknowledgment of Christ and his sacrifice before a prayer, asking for it is to kiss the son. To acknowledge him, this is the most important step.

Cleaning: after the covering always come before the lord asking for a cleaning before any requests are made. You wouldn’t trample dirt in someone elses house, so why do it to a throne room? Wait patiently for your cleaning, don’t expect an instant response.

Covering of the blood of protection:The covering extends into the realm of protection, it is extremely important to ask for this after your cleaning as it provides protection for you during and after prayer. This is extremely important while praying for others, without it you are open for attack and so are they. ask for it for you and your family, any friends, extended family, that may come under attack.

Quiet time: you wouldn’t rush through a convocation with a friend, why rush through a convocation with the lord? Take you’re time, have quiet moments..

The sword of praise: praise is pleasing to everybody, the praises are to show the lord that you are noticing his hard work and appreciate it. A prayer of praise can be extremely effective. If you have nothing to pray about or you are stumped on a subject, a prayer of praise is always appreciated..

Types of prayer combat:

dealing with demons by way of gift of prophecy:

while dealing with demons through the gift of prophecy, the testing of the spirits is extremely important. However there are some things I believe you could relate to if you have dealt with demons in this regard.

Disturbing images: as you progress, learning how to test the spirits the images they send you become more and more disturbing, the way I learned to counter this is by asking the lord to bind and cast out directly.

Put Downs: they like to put you down a lot. The idea is that you fall into a submissive behavioral pattern, you give up. You most likely are sleep deprived while you’re coming out of this. As you bind and cast out, the images become progressively more and more disturbing and the voices more and more rude and violent..expect this it gets worse before it gets better..

getting rid of them: the testing of the spirits is the first step. As a general rule, not all spirits are of the lord even if they seem to be giving you what seems appropriate.

“Has Jesus come in the flesh? Does he sit at the right hand of God the great I AM?” if they act aggressively or fail to respond, or respond incorrectly then you are dealing with a false spirit.

The next step is binding and casting out. You take authority of it and command it back the fiery depths from whence it came. To do this you first need to understand where your authority comes from and why.

Christs authority: Christ authority is what we are actually using, Do not abuse, the authority is given to us to work in the realm of betterment of the kingdom and the body in general, the moment you start abusing you will be stripped of the authority. It is not our authority that we are using but the extension of Christs.

It works in much the same relationship as a law enforcement concerning the government, When a criminal is dealing with a cop what does he do? Is he normally aggressive towards the cop or is he careful? It’s not the cop that the criminal fears but the government backing of the cop. It is the extension of the governments authority, it’s backing, that the criminal is weary off, you don’t take on a cop unless you want to take on the government. Just as you don’t disobey a direct order given in the blood unless you want to take on Christ.

The Test: there is a testing of the Christian before the extensions of the authority is given. This is to show that you are responsible, loyal enough to handle it. The test can take various forms.

The testing of the prophets: If you are called to become a prophet, you are often tested. The lord uses a sifting and burning process for this, not in a literal sense. But it what it actually does, is burn away everything undesirable to the lord. It can be harsh at times, but is well worth it. During these tests is when realizations hit, understandings come and persuades you to draw closer to the lord..pay attention..

dealing with wizards/witches:

The standard is the best defense, now witches and wizards go by code names, the first step is identifying who empowers them, and you pray against their empowerment demons. You never pray against the actual person. When you pray against the empowerment that is to say the main demon empowering them, a hosing down occurs. Hosing down is a literal in a sense, all empowerment’s leave the witch or wizard and they are pushed back to their place of origin. As the general rule Sorath is the main empowering demon behind witches and wizards.

Never pray against the actual person, if you have access to a prophet, finding out their code name would be easy. If not a name may not be needed. You pray against the code name, that is to pray against the empowerment behind the person.

The method used for this is the standards method of binding and casting out.

Bind lucifer- bind him from using his circles of three command him to bind Astaroth, Azazel, Sin and El command them to bind their circles of three from operating under Sorath and bind Sorath, Lilith, Hecate from operating over the witch or wizard.

Do this often, and a hosing down will occur, they will lose their abilities and be pushed back their place of origin.

Dealing with Summoned demons:

Summoned demons are dangerous and must be dealt with extremely quickly, the longer they are in this realm the harder to get rid of them it becomes. Traditionally, when a demon is summoned, a witch or wizard stands in a pentagram for protection from the demon, christians don’t have such a luxury.

How to properly apply the method of reading your bible: demons are extremely legalistic, they know the bible. It’s not some forbidden book that they know nothing about and run screaming from it’s passages. When dealing with demons, they can and will use various methods of separation from God. This is done by cause to fall. Simply they use what you don’t know about the law to make you fall. To properly apply reading your bible apply scripture bases to what they tell you. “Steal that!” “thou shalt not steal” If you can help it don’t talk to them at all, but don’t give up your defenses of thinking or feeling.

Common misconception: Demons do not just run away when you read the bible. If anything it just makes them angry. However they do not like it.

Praying against: Remember in this type of prayer you have to be quick, as the lord to bind and cast out, or take authority over the demon command it to return to hell from whence it came, or ask the lord to bind it and cast it back into hell. Ask for any doors that may have been opened to be closed and any soul ties between you and the demon to be covered with the blood and broken.

dealing with spells:

Praying against spells is simple enough, ask the lord to cover any spells that have been cast over you with the blood of Jesus Christ and that they be broken.

dealing with demonic soul ties:

soul ties are bonds, you can have them with people, items, demons ect. The bond itself can only be made using 3 sources. yourself, you can create a bond with a person, item or idea. this is an imperfect bond. and can be manipulated by demons and darkened. Demons can create the bond, between you an item, a person or thing..this bond is very powerful, and you yourself most likely don’t understand it. soul ties are created in the spiritual realm. those who can see in the spiritual realm can see these bonds. in order to break a soul tie, you come before the lord in repentance, you ask for the soul ties to be broken. In the case of people, if the soul tie was made by you, you ask for the soul tie between you and the person to be broken and remade as his perfect bond. If it’s a person who’s bond was made by a demonic influence, you ask the lord to remove the soul tie, and no longer contact the person, if you can. You can pray for the person to be taken before the lord and saved. but to remain in contact puts you at risk of falling back into the bond and influence. If it’s over an item, you ask the lord to break the bond, and burn the item if it is demoniacally influence. this is how you get rid f the soul sucking trinket, to get try and get rid of it any other way, activates a curse that is attached to it. If it is an idea, it is most likely attached to a false perception, you use the same method of prayer to break the bond, and cast the idea away every time it pops up. If it’s a bond with a demon, you ask for it to be broken, you identify the demon, and you ask the lord to bind it and it’s influence. you use the standard for this. If you have a demonic bond, it is better to ask someone with experience in using the standard to break it for you. this can be a very frightening process.

We have to trust the Lord and His Word written in scripture. Bringing stuff out in the open is usually not a pleasant thing at all.

We follow what the Lord says, which is to get rid of all the stuff from the occult. We sever the demonic soul ties, and ask the Lord to place His bonds on us only. We pray for those who are in our family and influence. We do what is righteous to the Lord, and trust Him with those family members around us. We do not push our family away or ignore them etc, but we do have to put up our boundaries of what we will and will not do according to the Word of God.

We either stand with what God says, or we do not.

Breaking soul ties over items: Ok, what I did is renounce all ties with that sword (and other things that I found) and told the Lord I was truly sorry for being involved with those things in the first place. I told the Lord that I was grateful that Jesus died as my Savior and I also told the Lord that the only reason I was able to come to him is through Jesus’ righteousness…not my own.

I asked the Lord to sever all demonic soul ties that were using the specific thing as an inroad to my life, and asked Him to establish His righteous bond with the person that gave it to me.

I asked to be protected with the blood of Jesus as a covering upon me, and asked that the blood of Jesus would be applied over all the demonic ties that I had allowed in my life.

I also quoted the scripture that promises that anything bound on earth would be bound in heaven (I’ll leave you to look that one up), and also the scripture that says anything asked for in the Name of Jesus according to His will would be done. Obviously getting rid of idols is according to His will..

Breaking soul ties over people:“What you need to do is ask the Father in the name of Jesus to sever the soul ties with all of the people you can think of that have influenced in a dark way that drew you into this stuff.

Make a list and go through each one. Tell the Lord that you renounce your relationship with them, and ask Him to sever, and bind the soul tie from you. Tell the Lord that you apply the blood of Jesus on the soul ties, and you only want a soul tie with Him, and Him alone.

Now, I am not talking about the bonding that happens with family and people in the Kingdom of God, but I am talking about people that who have caused and helped you to go off track.”

The affects of breaking soul ties: If they are demoniacally influenced, the breaking of the bond causes hostility between them and you, or attempts to renew the bond, Items have to be burned because the bond with them is very very easy to recreate. handling the item renews the bond. so burning is required.

developing a prayer style:

now the templates are good for starters, but to know the lord is to develop a lifestyle based around him. As you develop this relationship, you also develop a prayer style unique to you.

This prayer style si like your signature as a general template to build it around this is the template I use.

“I come before you oh lord as a sinner I ask that you don’t look at my sins iniquity and shortcomings but at the blood of your son lord Jesus Christ who died so that I may come before you’re throne of grace properly.

Lord Jesus Christ I humbly ask for your covering, your coving of your blood of protection and your cleaning so that I may come before the lords throne of grace properly..and I thank you for your time and consideration in this matter.

Wait in silence 20 minutes.

Give thanks for sacrifice and praises of your choice

Wait in silence 10 minutes

Repentance

Requests

general discussion

Silence 10 minutes

Praises, thanks

amen

this is a very general template, you can full it up with whatever you want to, to build your own prayer template. Enjoy! This is a happy affair, to build your own prayer, enjoying it is what the lord wants us to o, it’s not supposed to be a burden.

Understanding Christian Prayer and Authority in the Spirit.

Understanding Christian Prayer and Authority in the Spirit.

Written by Traveler

Prayer from a Christian perspective, though once fully understood, has in recent years become so confused from the introduction of occult principles that a situation has now been reached where even the professing Christians are no longer able to define it. Much less experience any success in answers to it. Now make no mistake, positive confession has nothing to do with it. Either God answer your prayer or he does not. Neither is it based on the strength of your faith either. If it was your faith that had the power to move your mountains then what are you praying to God for, move it yourself! Yes faith is required but you have faith in God, not faith to force your will over God. The sad fact is that people have lost the real definition of faith as well. Added to that is the sad situation where people no longer understand what God requires or what the conditions of his promises are anymore.

God the Father is not Father Christmas, Yes he may have been motivated by love to send his Son to redeem the world back to himself, but he is also the God that wiped out an entire civilization in the Flood of Noah, Wrecked the kingdom of Pharaoh when he took the Israelites out of Egypt and who will be pouring out the bowls of wrath during the great Tribulation at the end of this age. The fact is that God the Father reigns supreme. His power and authority is absolute and he jumps through no hoops for any man. Even Satan is subject to his authority.

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Isa 45:5 I am Jehovah, and there is none else, no God besides Me; I clothed you, though you have not known Me;

Isa 45:6 that they may know from the rising of the sun, and to the sunset, that there is none besides Me. I am Jehovah, and there is none else;

Isa 45:7 forming the light and creating darkness; making peace and creating evil. I Jehovah do all these things.

Isa 45:8 Drop down from above, O heavens, and let the clouds pour down righteousness. Let the earth open, and let salvation bear fruit; and let righteousness spring up together. I Jehovah have created it.

Isa 45:9 Woe to him who fights with the One who formed him, a potsherd among the potsherds of the earth! Shall the clay say to its former, What are you making? Or your work, He has no hands?[/quote]

As you can see from verse 7. God is the God of both Good and Evil. (Though he desires righteousness.) There is nothing outside of his authority, which is understandable as there is nothing that is not the result of his own creative work. Now Christian prayer is based on access to that authority. That access is tied into the whole salvation process. You have to understand how salvation works to fully understand how prayer operates. In most cases trying to pray without access to that authority results in nothing more than a dry empty prayer life where you are basically just talking to the wind and going through empty sterile rituals. But if you try to come against evil as in the demonic using this authority when you are not entitle to it then you set yourself up for a fall. Satan also knows who’s rightfully empowered and who’s not. Take for example this incident.

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Act 19:13 And certain from the strolling Jews, exorcists, undertook to name the name of the Lord Jesus over those having evil spirits, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preaches.

Act 19:14 And there were seven sons of Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, who did so.

Act 19:15 But answering the evil spirit said, Jesus I know, and I comprehend Paul, but who are you?

Act 19:16 And the man in whom the evil spirit resided leaped on them, and overcoming them he was strong against them, so that they fled out of the house naked and wounded.

Act 19:17 And this was known to all the Jews and Greeks who lived at Ephesus, and fear fell on all of them, and the name of the Lord Jesus was magnified.[/quote]

Now you can gather two things from that passage. The first is that access to Gods authority is done through the name of Jesus and the second is that you have to be entitled to use it for that authority to be recognized in the spiritual domains. What is done in the spiritual will manifest in the natural.

NOW YOU ALSO KNOW WHY THERE IS A MOVE TO MAKE IT ILLEGAL TO PRAY IN THE NAME OF JESUS IN ANY PUBLIC GATHERINGS. NOT BEING ABLE TO INVOKE THE NAME OF JESUS RENDERS THE CHRISTIAN PRAYER ABSOLUTELY POWERLESS. THE CONCEPT OF ALL INCLUSIVENESS IS JUST THE JUSTIFICATION, THE REALITY IS THAT THIS MOVE IS DEMONICALLY INSPIRED AND THE REASON CERTAIN PEOPLE FEEL PHYSICALLY SICK WHEN THEY HEAR IT IS BECAUSE THE DEMONIC ENTITIES THAT ARE ATTACHED TO THEM ARE REACTING TO IT WITH THE RESULT THAT THEIR HUMAN HOSTS RESPOND IN LIKE MANNER.

You need to understand that Satan is man’s adversary, not Gods. Satan does not have the physical power to defy God but he has through deception in Eden enslaved the whole human race to use as a shield to protect himself from God. If God is to destroy Satan he has to take us with him, hence the plan of salvation that he put in place to rescue us humans. Eventually the final confrontation is going to have to take place as Satan cannot be left to run loose forever infecting the rest of creation. But when Satan’s destruction takes place God will have separated from him as many human souls as is redeemable. At least as many as will be enough for the repopulation of the new heavens and new earth spoken of in Revelations. It is the developed and matured human souls that God is after. That is why we are continually told in scripture that we need to save our souls. It is also why God is taking his sweet time before dealing with Satan permanently. And it explains why Satan is going all out to entrap every last one of our souls so as to prevent God from completing his harvest. Satan is basically buying himself time at our expense.

Now getting back to spiritual authority. This next passage is where Jesus was on the earth and he was exercising the authority that he had.

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Mat 8:5 And when Jesus had entered into Capernaum, a centurion came to him, beseeching Him,

Mat 8:6 and saying, Lord, my son lies at home paralyzed and grievously tormented.

Mat 8:7 And Jesus says to him, I will come and heal him.

Mat 8:8 The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that You should come under my roof; but only speak the word, and my boy will be healed.

Mat 8:9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me. And I say to this one, Go! And he goes; and to another, Come! And he comes; and to my servant, Do this! And he does it.

Mat 8:10 When Jesus heard, He marvelled and said to those who followed, Truly I say to you, I have not found such great faith, no, not in Israel.

Mat 8:11 And I say to you that many shall come from the east and the west, and shall sit down with Abraham and Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of Heaven.

Mat 8:12 But the sons of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Mat 8:13 And Jesus said to the centurion, Go. And as you have believed, so let it be to you. And his boy was healed in that hour.[/quote]

Now there are a few points that are demonstrated in that Passage. The Centurion, (Roman Soldier) understood what authority was all about. He understood that Jesus had the spiritual authority to override the natural and effect a miracle of healing in his son. He understood that Jesus did not have to be there to do it but had the authority to just Give the order and the Spiritual entities that had his son in bondage would have to obey.

The part that his faith played was that he believed that Jesus did in fact have this authority and that Jesus was able to make this healing happen for him. It was not the soldiers faith that healed the boy. If that was the case he could heal him himself. It was Christ’s authority that healed the boy. It was the soldiers faith in Jesus that impressed Jesus so much.

Now we get to the part where Jesus started to pass on this authority to his disciples.

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Mat 10:1 And when He had called to Him His twelve disciples, He gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease.

Mat 10:2 And the names of the twelve apostles are these: First, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee and John his brother;

Mat 10:3 Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax-collector; James the son of Alpheus, and Lebbeus, whose surname was Thaddeus;

Mat 10:4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed Him.

Mat 10:5 Jesus sent out these twelve, commanding them, saying, Do not go into the way of the nations, and do not enter into any city of the Samaritans.

Mat 10:6 But rather go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Mat 10:7 And as you go, proclaim, saying, The kingdom of Heaven is at hand.

Mat 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons. You have received freely, freely give.

Mat 10:9 Do not provide gold nor silver, nor copper in your purses,

Mat 10:10 nor a bag for the journey, nor two coats, nor sandals, nor staves. For the workman is worthy of his food.[/quote]

Again there are quite a few things to note about what is happening here. The time frame is where Jesus was still on this earth and in the process of training his disciples. In this training exercise he gave them a specific job to do and that was to go out on their own through the nation in groups of two and to proclaim to the people that the kingdom of heaven is at hand. In other words they were acting in the ministry of prophet to warn the people that the time of the predicted redemption by the Messiah was at hand or soon to take place.

In order to confirm the words that the disciples were telling the people they had to be able to have the signs and wonders following them and as they had been sent off on their own Jesus had to give them the authority to actually do these signs and wonders like heal the sick and cast out demons.

Now this is to be noted. The disciples did not have the ability to do the miracles in and of themselves. They had no more authority than any other human. This authority had to be given to them. It was something that was added to them that was bestowed upon them by Christ himself. At that time the disciples could not pass that authority onto anyone else either. It was only the 12 that had it. You could say that they were given the tools they needed to do the job they were instructed to do.

There was also a condition attached to the instruction. The whole operation was to be totally divorced from all forms of mammon. They were not to take any form of money and they were not to make any charge for there miracles. An important principle was to be established here. The workman is worthy of his food and keep. They were working for the kingdom of heaven and as such were to expect the kingdom to meet their needs no matter where it came from.

Now like a lot of things there are some principles regarding authority in Gods kingdom that differs from how authority is rewarded here in the worlds kingdoms.

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Mat 20:25 But Jesus called them and said, You know that the rulers of the nations exercise dominion over them, and they who are great exercise authority over them.

Mat 20:26 However, it shall not be so among you. But whoever desires to be great among you, let him be your servant.

Mat 20:27 And whoever desires to be chief among you, let him be your servant;

Mat 20:28 even as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.

Mat 20:29 And as they departed from Jericho, a great crowd followed Him.[/quote]

Now authority is authority, wether in the kingdom of heaven or the kingdoms of this world. Those that have authority have power to command in the areas of their responsibility. In the worlds kingdoms those that have authority use that authority as a tool to place themselves in a position of prestige in relation to those they rule over. But in Gods kingdom the opposite is to occur. Those with the greatest authority are to be the greatest servants to the rest. A principle that our modern mega churches seem to have forgotten. Largely because it is the congregation itself that tends to bring the worlds habits into the church and place those of authority into the same position found in the secular worlds leadership.

Anyway we have established that the spiritual power wielded as a result of prayer is derived from spiritual authority that is bestowed upon the believer. The power or authority is not natural to the individual human, it is something that is added to them so as to enable them to function in this position of authority. Now lets look at what instruction Jesus gave with regards to prayer, and of course we come to the Lords Prayer!

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Mat 6:6 But you, when you pray, enter into your room. And shutting your door, pray to your Father in secret; and your Father who sees in secret shall reward you openly.

Mat 6:7 But when you pray, do not babble vain words, as the nations. For they think that in their much speaking they shall be heard.

Mat 6:8 Therefore do not be like them, for your Father knows what things you have need of, before you ask Him.

Mat 6:9 Therefore pray in this way: Our Father, who is in Heaven, Hallowed be Your name.

Mat 6:10 Your kingdom come, Your will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven.

Mat 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread;

Mat 6:12 and forgive us our debts as we also forgive our debtors.

Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil. For Yours is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever. Amen.

Mat 6:14 For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you;

Mat 6:15 but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Mat 6:16 And when you fast, do not be like the hypocrites, of a sad face. For they disfigure their faces so that they may appear to men to fast. Truly I say to you, They have their reward.

Mat 6:17 But you, when you fast, anoint your head and wash your face,

Mat 6:18 so that you do not appear to men to fast, but to your Father in secret. And your Father who sees in secret shall reward you openly.[/quote]

The first thing that needs to be noted here is that Jesus pointed out that it was not meant to just be recited as in a form of useless repetition. In verse 8 it is made quite clear that prayer is supposed to be an active process directed at achieving specific objectives. God knows what you need so get on with the job of making your requests know.

The Lords prayer is basically a procedure, an order that lists out the basic components of an effective method of prayer listed in order of priorities. You do not have to follow to the letter but if at a loss you can fall back on this.

“Our Father, who is in Heaven”

So who are you addressing your prayer to? state it! There are times you come before Christ but most of the time you are to come before God the Father.

“Hallowed be Your name.”

You enter Gods gates with thanksgiving and you enter his courts with praise. This is where you give your thank you’s and praises for past answers.

“Your kingdom come, Your will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven.”

Now you get down to the main objectives of your prayer. Who are you standing in the gap for? What do you want God to do for them? What situation do you want God to intervene in?

In general this is the area where you are going about the kingdoms busines as a servant of Christ. This section is all about the kingdom. Report backs are not really needed as God already knows the news and that is covered in the praise and thanks section anyway.

“Give us this day our daily bread;”

Only after the kingdoms business has been completed do you make your own requests known as in your needs in the fields. Basic foods, or clothing etc. The workman is worthy of his wages. The more you do for the kingdom the more you can expect this section to be answered. That is what is meant by seek ye first the kingdom of God and the rest will be added unto you.

“and forgive us our debts as we also forgive our debtors.”

You could say that this is the confession section where you sort out your own burdens. Unforgiveness towards others blocks your own prayers. You have to let go your negative emotions like hate so that God can do the same towards you.

“And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil.”

This is important, look at what happened to Job! If you are an effective worker for the kingdom Satan is going to pay attention to you and want to lay traps to trip you up. This is where you ask God to intervene on your behalf and put a stop to it. Hence the confessions come first!

“For Yours is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever. Amen.”

You enter Gods presence with thanks and praise, you leave the same way. Call it proper etiquette.

Now from the general tone of the Lords Prayer it can be seen that all authority is derived from the throne rooms of Heaven. Although you gain access to it, it is still Gods authority that is being used. And he has the final yes or no in every case. It is not by your power that anything of spiritual value can get done, it is by Gods power that your mountains get removed.

As an ambassador of Christ you are granted the right to operate in Gods Authority while going about the business of the kingdom. Hence we are required to state that our commands or prays are in the name of our Lord Jesus as an identification as to who’s authority we are operating under. Without that ID it is taken that we are operating under our own authority and lets face it, we do not actually have any in and of ourselves. We are just short lived mortals passing through.

Now we need to look at how things developed after the crucifixion.

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Mar 16:14 Afterward He appeared to the Eleven as they reclined. And He reproached their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who had seen Him after He had risen.

Mar 16:15 And He said to them, Go into all the world, proclaim the gospel to all the creation.

Mar 16:16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved, but he who does not believe will be condemned.

Mar 16:17 And miraculous signs will follow to those believing these things: in My name they will cast out demons; they will speak new tongues;

Mar 16:18 they will take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it will not hurt them. They will lay hands on the sick, and they will be well.

Mar 16:19 Then indeed, after speaking to them, the Lord was taken up into Heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

Mar 16:20 And going out, they proclaimed everywhere, the Lord working with them and confirming the Word by miraculous signs following. Amen.[/quote]

Now this is where the foundation of the church was laid, this is where the great commission was given to the disciples and it is from these last instructions that Jesus gave to them after his resurrection that the whole Christian faith was built up to what we see this day.

As Jesus told them

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Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, All authority is given to Me in Heaven and in earth.

Mat 28:19 Therefore go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

All authority had been given to him by his Father, God himself. Hence Jesus is the one who’s authority we currently operate under with the Fathers blessings. Hence this passage applies

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Mar 16:17 And miraculous signs will follow to those believing these things: in My name they will cast out demons; they will speak new tongues;

Mar 16:18 they will take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it will not hurt them. They will lay hands on the sick, and they will be well.[/quote]

The miracles operate only through the name of Jesus. As Jesus stated, IN MY NAME THEY WILL DO THE FOLLOWING. The believers will not do any of this in their own power but while operating under the authority of their own Lord Jesus who gave them the right to invoke his name as their authority.

Now notice the wording of the testimony that this disciple have as his closing statement.

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Mar 16:20 And going out, they proclaimed everywhere, the Lord working with them and confirming the Word by miraculous signs following. Amen.[/quote]

The disciples went out and did as they were instructed. They went out and taught everyone what Jesus taught them. All they did was the speaking and teaching part. But it was Jesus working with them from the throne rooms in heaven that provided the miracles and signs that followed to confirm the words they spoke. The displays of the supernatural is tied into the preaching of the gospels. God is interested in the redemption of souls. That is the crux of his agenda. The manifestations of spiritual authority will always be linked to the completion of that agenda. It will not work if you try to use it for your own selfish desires. And that basically pulls the rug out from under the name it and claim it doctrines.

So now we have to look at how all this works in our current generation or the age of grace in general. To do this we need to have a closer look at the basics of the salvation message. It all starts at the day of Pentecost, when the Holy Spirit that Jesus sent arrives in our recently redeemed world.

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Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God made this same Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Act 2:37 And hearing this, they were stabbed in the heart, and said to Peter and to the other apostles, Men, brothers, what shall we do?

Act 2:38 Then Peter said to them, Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ to remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Act 2:39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all those afar off, as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Act 2:40 And with many other words he earnestly testified and exhorted, saying, Be saved from this perverse generation.

Act 2:41 Then those who gladly received his word were baptized. And the same day there were added about three thousand souls.

Act 2:42 And they were continuing steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine, and in fellowship and in the breaking of the loaves, and in prayers.

Act 2:43 And fear came on every soul. And many wonders and miracles took place through the apostles.[/quote]

Basically the second chapter of Acts is all about the events surrounding the first baptisms of the Holy Spirit on the newly established church and Peters first sermon before the masses. The coming of the Holy Spirit was a rather dramatic event and the Whole of Jerusalem came to see what the commotion was all about. It was during this time that the message concerning the procedures as they should exist today for salvation was laid down. The passage quoted above describes the event of interest but the verse of importance is this one.

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Act 2:38 Then Peter said to them, Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ to remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Act 2:39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all those afar off, as many as the Lord our God shall call.[/quote]

Now in our modern churches we get the lovey dovey message of accept Jesus into your hart and all will be well. Unfortunately that is not the instruction that Peter gave to the first 3000 new converts to the faith.

What Peter said was REPENT AND THEN BE BAPTIZED IN WATER FOR THE REMISSION OF THEIR SINS. That is what has to be done first and it is done by the people involved. Then it follows, “and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit”. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is a separate event and man has no control over it. It has to come from Christ himself.

This promise is to those who are far off. That is us today. We are the ones that are far off. And we still have to follow the original instruction that Peter gave. There has been no changes in the procedure since that day. Now the word repent in the original Greek is this

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metanoeo?

met-an-o-eh’-o

From G3326 and G3539; to think differently or afterwards, that is, reconsider (morally to feel compunction): – repent.[/quote]

Repentance comes from conviction in the spirit. To be made aware of the sin in your life and the evil that you get involved in. To repent of it is to make a decision to turn away from that which you morally know is wrong and to do that which you understand to be the right thing in the eyes of God.

Repentance is a prerequisite of salvation. Without it there is no Salvation. It is so important that it is the very first thing on the to-do list. The next is to be baptized.

Now water baptism is a symbolic ritual. It is done as an act of submission and obedience to God. What it symbolizes is the acceptance of Jesus as your Lord and Savior and by going through this ritual you are making an open declaration to the world that it is your intent to accept Jesus as your King and become a citizen of the kingdom of heaven. Now by accepting Jesus as your Lord he also becomes your savior, Jesus achieves this by becoming the proxy for your past sins that separated you from God in the first place.

Basically it is a two way covenant. Christ redeems you by his shed blood and in return you pledge your allegiance to him. But the baptism of the Holy Spirit is a second form of baptism that occurs in the supernatural. This is something that you can ask the Lord for in your prayers but is totally dependant on Jesus to bestow. It is the baptism that grants you the authority to act in his name. Yes your prayers will still be answered without it as in Jesus will move your mountain for you or rebuke a demon on your behalf. But the baptism of the spirit is what enables the gifts of the spirit to operate through your ministry and allows you to use the authority of your king to rebuke the demon yourself.

I was a Christian 5 years before I received this baptism. Basically it comes when you actually start to understand what you are doing and what is expected of you and also if you are working in the harvest and need it. From my own experience I have come to realize that the Lord only gives you the tools you need for effective ministry when you actually need the tools. Basically it is the modern day equivalent of what happened here,

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Mat 10:1 And when He had called to Him His twelve disciples, He gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease.[/quote]

The disciples walked how long with Jesus before he gave them this authority just before he sent them out with his message?

Hell Rising

Hell Rising

(Written by Traveler)

At the time of Pentecost Jesus gave to his church the gift of the Holy Spirit and the authority over all the powers of the enemy. In theory Satan should never have been able to lift his head again or regain a solid foot hold over humanity. For the most part the early church did do well and all the old pagan or demonic gods that held sway over the human race at that time was systematically driven out and their temples abandoned to decay into dust. Their memory fading away until future generations considered them just ancient tales of myths and legends of the backward and superstitious.

But there is one common thyme found in both the old and new testaments regarding the end of the age. The power of the Holy people is to be broken and shattered and Satan is to rise into a position of power over humanity once again, just before the current age comes to an end.

What this article is looking at is how this is being achieved and how the methods that Satan is using works. As can be expected it is using the old lie of “you shall be as gods” and the destruction of integrity that mammon can buy.

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Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?

Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

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The passage above comes from the prophet Daniel who was one of the Judaic captives in Babylon around the year 600 BC. Now verse 9 indicates the time where this prophecy is to take place and indicates the time of the end. What we understand as the last days. The passage is in relation to the last world ruler and what he does but the verse of interest is verse 7.

“and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.”

Now the concept of holy people in biblical terminology refers to those people that are the servants of the God of the bible. In other words the Jews and the Christians. To scatter the power of the holy people is to break their power. To render them powerless regardless of the idea that they are supposed to be backed by God himself. This event of breaking the power of the holy people is linked to the concept that it marks the end. All things finished concerning what was spoken about in relation to the last days and rise of the last world dictatorship.

Now the big question is, just how is this supposedly impossible feat to be accomplished. Again scripture explains just how this is done. Verse 1 in the passage below makes it plain that this passage is referring to the last days or the end of the age.

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2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

2Ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

2Ti 3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

2Ti 3:9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.

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Now viewing that passage from the perspective of what the scriptures uphold as god-fearing people, that passage accurately describes what our modern secular society actually behaves like. Society does have a policy of me, myself and I and the pursuit of personal happiness even if it is to the detriment of others they hold in positions of contempt. Further there is no question as to how secular society hold the followers of God in absolute contempt. So much so they are even passing laws to rid themselves of any influence of the scriptures in their midst. However the verse that is of importance to this subject is verse 5.

“Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.”

That verse explains how the power of the Holy People gets shattered in the last days. To have a form of godliness is to have a scriptural based theology but to deny the power of it is to leave out the source of power behind the scriptures which is God himself. The God of the bible gets replaced with another of the imagination. This has been achieved from many different angles of deliberate attack. The most damaging being the redefining of the meaning of many words in the Christian vocabulary, not least of which is the word faith. Below is another passage that supports the understanding of how this breaking of the power of the Holy People takes place.

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2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

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For there to be a falling away just before the Lord returns means that the Holy People had to fall away from the tenants and original doctrines of their basic faith. By falling away from those original doctrines they will naturally be cut off from the power of their faith which is of course, God himself. Hence their power will be shattered and they will be rendered powerless to stop the rise of Satan once again.

Now this is not some form of new procedure. It is just a repeat of the same tactics that Satan used in the past that resulted in the captivities of the Israelites in the past. Only now it is being applied to the church and the same results can be expected, as demonstrated in the passage below. Only this passage is also prophetic and ties in to the last days as well, which makes it rather interesting.

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Isa 2:6 Therefore thou hast forsaken thy people the house of Jacob, because they be replenished from the east, and are soothsayers like the Philistines, and they please themselves in the children of strangers.

Isa 2:7 Their land also is full of silver and gold, neither is there any end of their treasures; their land is also full of horses, neither is there any end of their chariots:

Isa 2:8 Their land also is full of idols; they worship the work of their own hands, that which their own fingers have made:

Isa 2:9 And the mean man boweth down, and the great man humbleth himself: therefore forgive them not.

Isa 2:10 Enter into the rock, and hide thee in the dust, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty.

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Verse 10 of that passage is giving the same descriptions of events that take place in connection to the rapture and is repeated in the sixth seal of Revelations. Thus indicating that the descriptions of conditions will be looking at that time period as well. Now the main verse of interest is verse 6 as this explains why this generation was forsaken by God. Gods people are supposed to be filled with the Holy Spirt and be replenished from the throne of God but here they are being replenished from the east.

Now this passage is talking about events just before the end so the process is still underway at this time and on cue you can see this process currently gaining ground and fast becoming main stream. The eastern philosophies and practices have gained a foothold in the church and are being used as a replacement for the original doctrines handed down by the first Apostles. Added to this is the result that the spirit of the eastern religions is also manifesting in the churches and being called the Holy Spirit when it is nothing of the sort. In effect an avalanche situation has been set in place.

As the church drifted away from the correct doctrines the Holy Spirit withdrew and the saints went into a time of drought where they were looking for the gifts of the spirit but were coming up dry. Then as the eastern teaching gained traction so the spirit from the east started to be able to manifest and the saints chased after it thinking it was God’s Spirit. Of course these manifestations of the counterfeit became the encouragement to delve deeper into the eastern philosophies disguised with Christian terminology so the result is full blown apostasy. Hence the great falling away is now in full swing and its implementation will soon be completed. We have reached the stage where the resistance to repentance is coming from inside the church body itself. To turn this situation around will literally result in the saints having to oppose the saints as in a form of civil war as those few left that do know their God will be pitted against the greater majority that now believe the counterfeit is of God. Hence the Apostles described this time as perilous times.

This situation of substitution through deception was foreseen by the Apostle Paul and he made mention of it in his letters. It was obviously something he worried about!

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2Co 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

2Co 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

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Well this unfortunately is exactly what has happened. The Church has been given a new Christ that is different from the one found in the scriptures that the Apostles taught about. The Apostles taught that Jesus was the only begotten Son of God. The new christ that has been presented is god. It does not matter how cleverly the scriptures can be bisected and pieced together to make another picture. It was always the Apostles intent that we relate to Christ as the only begotten Son of God. They never intended that he be viewed as God himself.

The Apostles taught that the church is to be the bride of Christ that Jesus is to present to his Father God. The new doctrines say we are to become sinless saints and become like christ so as to be Christ.

The Apostles taught that Jesus is going to return for us and gather us to himself. The new doctrines say we are to progress to the point where we get our new bodies now and are to eat of the tree of life now and ascend to a higher plain now and gain immortality now. That is pure eastern philosophy that has been reworded so as to make it sound all biblical.

In fact this is one of the main things that Jesus told us to look out for when he was telling of what things would be like when he was to return.

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Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

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The whole Christ consciousness movement laid the ground work for this and now we have more and more people rising up claiming that they are the christ or the reincarnation of such. They teach how to be sinless saints and spiritualise the scriptures so as to make them say something other than what they do. God only made one Christ, there is no other and there is never going to be any other. We only get one! We can serve Christ and we can be in submission to him but we can never be him.

With this as well has come a redefinition of the Godhead. The original trinity doctrine gets thrown out the window and the oneness doctrine introduced and then called the trinity doctrine, thus opening up a whole list of errors that can follow. But you get the picture. The steady stream of errors are now flowing non stop. As the church first drifted away from the original teachings of the first Apostles with the prosperity teachings, so also the Spirit of God withdrew and the gifts of the spirit started to dry up. Instead of going back and repenting and seeking the Lord the errors just became more and more absurd until the spirit of this world moved in and made itself at home. Jesus told us that we are to seek God. But with the new oneness doctrine Jesus is God so now we no longer even have the saints coming before the throne of grace anyway. Of course the church is now in a mess.

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Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

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In order to accommodate the failing of the divine prosperity message the definition of the word faith was changed to sound more super spiritual and to place the operation of Gods power on self instead of God himself and this has now carried over into all the other following errors. Hence we now have the situation where the saints are no longer coming before Gods throne of grace but before Jesus who’s ministry is supposed to be that of our reconciler between men and God and the saints no longer place their faith in God or Christ but try and develop their faith to the point where they can force the gifts of the spirit by their own will power.

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1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Mar 11:22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.

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The list of deceptions is now growing daily, you are all coming across them. They are being accepted in accordance with the Apostles prophetic warnings of the falling away and Daniels warning that the power of the Holy People will be shattered. But we have also been promised that those that endure to the end are the ones that will be saved. There would never have been a call for endurance unless it was needed and many are going to be those who’s lamps will be without oil come the time of the night.

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Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

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As can be seen, our access to the tree of life can only take place after the return of Christ and this tree is located in the city that has not come into being yet.

Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof

Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof

(written by traveler)

Over the last few years this verse of prophetic scripture has been banded around a lot. But what is also apparent is that many of those looking at it do not understand its full implication.

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2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

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It is in fact a prophecy for the last days and is occurring now. But for some reason there seems to be a lot of people that do not understand how it is coming about and what it implies. It will be quoted by those that are doing it even, just to make themselves sound spiritual.

Now this situation did not just drop down out of thin air. It evolved over time in small incremental steps until the vast majority of the saints have been caught up in it. So what I want to do here is explain what it actually means, how it is applied and how a deception like this could have been accepted.

To have a form of Godliness is to be all religious, to keep the commandments and to do the things that the doctrine of the religion requires. Remember it says a form of Godliness, not a form of paganism! Those caught up in this are using the scriptures as their authority, they are just misapplying it.

But to deny the power thereof is the interesting part. The power behind the covenant faiths is God himself. God is the source of the power that works through all the rest of creation. To deny the power is to deny the source of the power which is to deny the God behind the faith. So we end up with a worship of God but the denial of God at the same time.

This has been achieved through substitution. A whole section is faithfully following the professions of the faith but not the God behind it. So the question obviously is just how did this situation come about.

Currently In the Churches there are two different types of Jesus being preached. Obviously the one is the real and the other is the false.

The first is a Jesus that was sent by God to redeem the world back to God

The second is a Jesus that is being used as a replacement for God. What the doctrine says is that Christ is God and that it was God that hung himself on the cross.

Now the first is the correct one as described in the scriptures but if the prophecies of the last days is to be fulfilled then it is also obvious that the second and false definition of Christ is going to be the doctrine that wins out at this time.

As can be seen this doctrine will produce a form of Godliness and be very religious and lift up the name of Jesus but the power behind the faith will be denied because God gets left out and is replaced by a Jesus that is lifted up as God Himself. A subtle deception that produces a world of difference! The power behind the Jesus of the Bible is God the Father. Replace the Father with Jesus and you end up with a powerless Jesus, that is not the one revealed in the scriptures but is an imposter. In other words you have the Anti-christ that is destined to rise to power for a short season!

As can be seen this violates the scriptures but because it is a name involving Jesus our Lord the false doctrine will be the one accepted. But this is not what Jesus taught us to do!

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Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Php 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

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As can be seen there is a clear distinction made between the Real Jesus and the Real God of the scriptures. Jesus is our Lord and Saviour but God is still or God. In Jesus and his shed blood we have our righteousness but it is from God the Father that the power comes forth!

Now below is the full passage concerning this subject matter and as can be seen it describes this generation to a tee! This is what is happening and the masses do indeed have a form of Godliness but they are in fact far from God even if they do lay claim to a christ.

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2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

2Ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

2Ti 3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

2Ti 3:9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.

2Ti 3:10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,

2Ti 3:11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.

2Ti 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

2Ti 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

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But to end off it may be a good idea to give a practical example of where this kind of situation is being applied and even enforced. Where deceivers are deceiving and being deceived with the best of good intentions for the most part.

Below is a link to a popular Christian web site that is dedicated to revival. Certainly a noble cause and with a lot of sincere people involved. Unfortunately they are going around in circles because they just keep repeating the same old thing over and over in the hope that it is suddenly going to work. The reason that it is going nowhere fast is because they have denied the power behind the faith and enforced it with the rules and regulations that prevent any chance of the status quo from being broken.

The link goes to the rules page directly that was originally posted by a moderator called John. This has been changed by another moderator called Lynn who signs her name at the bottom of the post after introducing the rules that bind the movement in to a state of inaction by preventing anything that can break the rut they are caught up in from unfolding.

http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/381

This is a copy of those rules and any deviation from them will result in deletions and banning, thus preventing any forward momentum from developing.

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Hello to all who have joined the Forum. May we become a real family in our fellowship here who truly cares and encourages and loves one another.

We would like to explain a few points of what is expected here on the Forum to ensure fairness to all who come here.

When I agreed to become a Moderator here, I prayed days for this forum and for it to bring Glory to God and I had a desire to see it become the best Christian Forum on the Web – one – God could use for his glory.

It is the responsibility of the Moderators here to keep Godly Order here.

Andrew had asked that there be no “needless strife or harshness” amongst us.

So we now set the Rules we must, to make sure this does not happen. This type of behavior on an ongoing basis will not be tolerated here and posts such as this will be removed.

If this continues we will have to ban this one from our fellowship here.

Posts that are argumentative to the point of manipulation or turning every thread into always pushing your pet peeve without consideration for another will be removed.

Name calling or nasty remarks or inappropriate postings or outbursts of anger will not be tolerated.

If a post is removed for any of these reasons, please we do not need one to post a post of complaining. Please just know we are doing our job and protecting the sheep here.

There are thousands of people who read this forum from all over the world and we put ourselves out there as Christians and name the name of Jesus.

We as Moderators have to be sure we are not allowing his name to be put to shame.

There are a few things we just do not discuss here, that divide the body of Christ and cause the most arguing.

They are.

  1. Teaching no Godhead/Trinity – We here believe God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit to be the Divine part of the Godhead, One God in Three entities. Father Son and Holy Spirit.
  1. Universalism – all go to heaven
  1. No hell.
  1. Claiming the Word of God is not all truth and in error.
  1. Jezebel Spirit

We look forward to moderating this forum and interacting with our brothers and sisters in Christ as we come together to test all things and to bring edification and to encourage one another and to begin to Pray for one another.

Thanks for your cooperation and may we be a light on a hill in all the darkness out their on the web, may we share the hope that is within us and let others see the love of Christ within in us for one another may we reflect Christ that will so attract others to come and partake with us.

God Bless, Lynn

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Now this is where the problems that come from this are found. The sterilization of the topics that can be covered thus preventing errors from being exposed and examination of the scriptures so as to work out why revival is not occurring.

Yes there are topics there that are obviously wrong but because they are banned from being spoken about there can be no explanation given as to why they are wrong. So a good chunk of the teachings that can be given to counter the deceptions coming from the world are always going to be absent. The uncomfortable questions are all swept under the rug where they cannot be examined in the light of the scriptures that the site claims to be promoting. Thus all deceptions are left unchallenged and cannot be disproven, thus approving them by omission.

Now number one on the list may sound like good Catholic doctrine but it is not being used for such. This movement is one of those that follows that Christ is a replacement for God Doctrines as in Jesus is God himself! But because no discussion is allowed on the subject no study can be conducted to look at the relationship between God, Son and Holy Spirit. The end result being that the false doctrine ends up being protected from any discussion Where the scriptures may be presented so as to examine what they have to reveal about the positions and relationships involved with the trinity. A form of Godliness but denying the power thereof! And enforced so the revival movement is not really going to be going anywhere very fast.

But the biblical prophecies regarding this situation comes to pass!

For those that know the people involved with the site and the history of it, the last rule regarding the Jezebel spirit is hilarious. But it is sad that the mission that the site was designed to achieve is basically check mated!

Any way that process is being repeated all over Christendom with the result that we now have the great falling away of the last days.

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2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

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