Why the need for Salvation and what does it even mean.

Why the need for Salvation and what does it even mean.

Written by traveler

Over the past generation this subject has become so watered down that the subject is no longer fully understood. We now have an adaptation of the new age beliefs where all roads lead to God or God is all lovey-dovey so say this little prayer and you are all done. Even the term repentance needs to be defined as the meaning has become lost. The first thing that needs to be understood is why we need salvation in the first place. The word salvation is translated from this Greek word;

G4991
σωτηρία
sōtēria
so-tay-ree’-ah
Feminine of a derivative of G4990 as (properly abstract) noun; rescue or safety (physically or morally): – deliver, health, salvation, save, saving.

So the obvious question is, What do we need to be rescued from ? From what danger do we need to be saved from ? Well lets consider this little item. This is where Satan was attempting to bribe Christ.

Mat 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
Mat 4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Here you have to keep in mind is that this would not be a temptation unless the devil actually owned the kingdoms of this world and had the authority to actually give them away to whom he willed. The implication of this is that we are basically born into the kingdom of Satan and are subjects under his authority. The same thing is confirmed from the gospel of Luke;

Luk 4:5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
Luk 4:6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
Luk 4:7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.
Luk 4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

The implication here is that we are born into the kingdom of Satan. This places us in a situation where we are cut off from God and doomed to be judged along with the kingdom of Satan at the end of the age and share the same fate as hell when that Judgment falls on all that the Devil holds. Hence the plan God put in place to rescue us before that time. This plan we call salvation ! This well known verse described the situation rather well;

Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

The kingdom of Satan is basically holding the descendants of Adam as a hostage, a case of saying to God, “If you punish us you have to punish the humans too”. But that falls short if someone else who is actually righteous takes our punishment for us. Basically a case of substitution. Jesus is the Son of God, as such he has the citizenship of heaven, He is Not a descendant of Adam. Not the citizenship of this world. Not trapped under the curse. Hence the importance of the virgin birth etc. The following verses explain it well;

Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Now of course the question is, how do we apply this?

In essence we renounce our worldly spiritual citizenship and we submit to Jesus as our King and accept him as our saviour. There by openly proclaiming ourselves as adopted citizens of Gods Kingdom. This salvation cannot be bought, sold or earned. It has to be given and accepted for free. This deals with the philosophies between the kingdom of God and the kingdom of Satan.

You come into the kingdom of God as you are and then grow and learn spiritually. The idea of getting your act together and cleaning yourself up before accepting Christ is a non starter. You will not be able to do this on your own, you need Christ to help you do this. Naturally you can expect the kingdom of Satan to oppose this and that opposition comes in the form of persecutions and deceptions.

Now the actions or rituals involved in this is very simple.

Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Mar 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

The first requirement is to believe that Jesus is who he claims to be and that he will do that which he says he will do. This part is an act of faith and even this is not totally of yourself. The initial faith to believe is a gift from God himself.

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Eph 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

This is achieved by prayer as in the sinners prayer and the persons confession to those around about them. You state that you accept Jesus as your King or Lord and trust in him to be your saviour. Next comes the ritual of water baptism. This is a solemn ritual that is preformed as a witness to both heaven and Satan as to your intentions and statement of faith. Kind of like pledging allegiance to the flag.

Now this is just the start of the pilgrims journey, later comes the baptism of the Holy Spirit etc but that is another subject.

Why the need for Salvation and what does it even mean.

Why the need for Salvation and what does it even mean.

Over the past generation this subject has become so watered down that the subject is no longer fully understood. We now have an adaptation of the new age beliefs where all roads lead to God or God is all lovey-dovey so say this little prayer and you are all done. Even the term repentance needs to be defined as the meaning has become lost. The first thing that needs to be understood is why we need salvation in the first place. The word salvation is translated from this Greek word;

G4991
σωτηρία
sōtēria
so-tay-ree’-ah
Feminine of a derivative of G4990 as (properly abstract) noun; rescue or safety (physically or morally): – deliver, health, salvation, save, saving.

So the obvious question is, What do we need to be rescued from ? From what danger do we need to be saved from ? Well lets consider this little item. This is where Satan was attempting to bribe Christ.

Mat 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
Mat 4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Here you have to keep in mind is that this would not be a temptation unless the devil actually owned the kingdoms of this world and had the authority to actually give them away to whom he willed. The implication of this is that we are basically born into the kingdom of Satan and are subjects under his authority. The same thing is confirmed from the gospel of Luke;

Luk 4:5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
Luk 4:6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
Luk 4:7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.
Luk 4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

The implication here is that we are born into the kingdom of Satan. This places us in a situation where we are cut off from God and doomed to be judged along with the kingdom of Satan at the end of the age and share the same fate as hell when that Judgment falls on all that the Devil holds. Hence the plan God put in place to rescue us before that time. This plan we call salvation ! This well known verse described the situation rather well;

Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

The kingdom of Satan is basically holding the descendants of Adam as a hostage, a case of saying to God, “If you punish us you have to punish the humans too”. But that falls short if someone else who is actually righteous takes our punishment for us. Basically a case of substitution. Jesus is the Son of God, as such he has the citizenship of heaven, He is Not a descendant of Adam. Not the citizenship of this world. Not trapped under the curse. Hence the importance of the virgin birth etc. The following verses explain it well;

Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Now of course the question is, how do we apply this?

In essence we renounce our worldly spiritual citizenship and we submit to Jesus as our King and accept him as our saviour. There by openly proclaiming ourselves as adopted citizens of Gods Kingdom. This salvation cannot be bought, sold or earned. It has to be given and accepted for free. This deals with the philosophies between the kingdom of God and the kingdom of Satan.

You come into the kingdom of God as you are and then grow and learn spiritually. The idea of getting your act together and cleaning yourself up before accepting Christ is a non starter. You will not be able to do this on your own, you need Christ to help you do this. Naturally you can expect the kingdom of Satan to oppose this and that opposition comes in the form of persecutions and deceptions.

Now the actions or rituals involved in this is very simple.

Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Mar 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

The first requirement is to believe that Jesus is who he claims to be and that he will do that which he says he will do. This part is an act of faith and even this is not totally of yourself. The initial faith to believe is a gift from God himself.

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Eph 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

This is achieved by prayer as in the sinners prayer and the persons confession to those around about them. You state that you accept Jesus as your King or Lord and trust in him to be your saviour. Next comes the ritual of water baptism. This is a solemn ritual that is preformed as a witness to both heaven and Satan as to your intentions and statement of faith. Kind of like pledging allegiance to the flag.

Now this is just the start of the pilgrims journey, later comes the baptism of the Holy Spirit etc but that is another subject.

Christ’s First Miracle.

Christ’s First Miracle.

Very little is know of the life of Christ as he was growing up. What was he like as a person and what was his relationship with his family like. Well quite a bit can be gleaned from the events that surrounded his first recorded miracle which was also used to launch his ministry.

These events are recorded in these verses from the Gospel of John.

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John Chapter 2

[1] And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:

[2] And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage.

[3] And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.

[4] Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.

[5] His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.

[6] And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece.

[7] Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim.

[8] And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast. And they bare it.

[9] When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,

[10] And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.

[11] This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.[/quote]

Doing an analysis of these verses we can see the following.

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[1] And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:

[2] And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage.[/quote]

Now this was just a marriage in the area and no doubt most of the local folks were invited, Both Jesus and his mother were there and as the disciples were with Jesus they also went along. Now he had picked up the disciple just after he had been baptized because of what John the Baptist had said about him. But he had not done any miracles in the sight of his disciples up to this point in time. Now to be invited to this wedding also meant that he was recognized as being in the circle of friends of the bride and groom. He was an accepted part of the community.

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[3] And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.

[4] Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.[/quote]

Now things start to get interesting. The wedding party was in full swing and the wine ran out. Now the first thing that Mary does is come and tell Jesus. Obviously Mary was accustomed to Jesus being able to do miracle of provision in the past and expected him to do the same thing here so as to save the day. Jesus on the other hand tried to back out. He did not feel that the time was ready to go public or to launch his ministry. He told here that his hour had not yet come.

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[5] His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.[/quote]

Well his mother was not going to take no for an answer and promptly put him on the spot. She went and told the servants to do exactly what he told them to do with the full confidence that he would come through. Jesus was now left with the choice of either coming through with a miracle or letting his mother be humiliated in the sight of the servants. This does give some indication of the relationship that Jesus had with his mother and he came through with the miracle even though it was against his better judgment, It is also interesting to note that although this first public miracle was used to launch his ministry and confirm his ability in the eyes of his new disciples it was primarily done so as to please his mother and save the wedding from an early ending.

It was done in service to the people around him and not some grand thing for the kingdom. This trait also was displayed throughout his ministry, the miracles were most often done as a service to help the people in need around him. Not so much as in service to himself or to do something great and grand for the kingdom of God.

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[6] And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece.

[7] Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim.

[8] And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast. And they bare it.[/quote]

Now this is where Jesus actually performed the miracle. There are some interesting points to note. For these miracles to happen there are two things required. The first is obedience and the second is the need to step out in faith even if it goes against conventional logic. Now the servants had been told to fill up these water pots with water so they did. Then without any form of religious incantation or ritual they were instructed to draw some of that self same water that they had just put in there and take it to the head of the table. Well they obeyed, fully expecting nothing but water to be poured out into the cup when they got to the other end. But because they had been told to do everything that he said they did anyway. Not their fault that there was only water left anyway!

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[9] When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,

[10] And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.

[11] This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.[/quote]

Well somewhere between the point of when the servant drew the water out of the stone water pot and the point where he poured it into the cup of the host of the feast the water transformed into fermented grape juice, commonly known as wine. Like most genuine miracles associated with Christ there was no dramatics, wild visual effects, or other wild manifestations of a supernatural nature. The miracle was quite, unobtrusive, and complete. The wine was of the best quality. The only people that knew what had happened behind the scenes were the servants, Mary and the disciples. But this was enough to establish his reputation as a miracle worker and launch his ministry. His ministry had to start at some point and as he had already acquired his first disciples it may as well have been then anyway. No doubt the story of what had happened was soon to spread.

And he never demanded payment for the services he preformed for the people in need.

The historical integrity of the Bible.

The historical integrity of the Bible.

One of the most annoying accusations is that there are manuscripts that have been found that are older than what the bible is supposed to be so therefore the bible has to be a false document. The real motive is to discredit the biblical scriptures rather than examine just where the bible actually comes from.

The bible itself is a historical record mainly devoted to the formation of the nation of Israel and Gods dealings with that nation as pertaining to the establishments of the covenants with that nation thus setting in place the chain of events that lead up to this day. It was originally started by Moses who had been raised and educated in the royal house of Egypt. The first book of the Bible is the Book of Genesis and clearly cover the events of human history prior to the establishment of that first covenant with Abraham which occurred over 400 years before Moses was even born.

So where did Moses get the records from that he used to write this first book. Clearly as he was educated in the Egyptian systems it would be logical to assume that he used the ancient Egyptian records as his starting point and then drew on the Israelite oral traditions to fill in the rest as pertaining to the Abrahamic lines. The books after that, Consisting of the Torah, all took place with Moses being an eye witness to the events and therefore he was just a recorder of the events and revelations as they unfolded. It is quite possible that it was in fact Moses that actually developed the Hebrew alphabet for his people in the first place. While the Israelites were doing their 40 year stint in the wilderness he had plenty of time to get all the records in place and writing system established. Those that remained with him all properly schooled and trained so that they could lead the nation into the promised land after they returned, and in a position to continue updating the records as they went through the Jordan.

So now where does that leave all the other traces of ancient religious literature? Well obviously God did not just appear on the scene when Abraham showed up. After all he was active with Noah and the tower of Babel and he did put a smite on Sodom. So of course there are going to be other records prior to the traditional bible but that does not mean that it is not the same God or that the traditional Bible is wrong. It just means that the scriptures represent a more organized form of record keeping, that’s all, and is the reason those records are so accessible today.

So when did all this religiosity stuff with God start and the ideas of sacrifices and rituals actually begin. Well believe it or not that is recorded in the Bible anyway. It started right in the beginning with Cain and Able, the very first two children that Adam and Eve gave birth to.
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Gen 4:3 And in the end of days, it happened, Cain brought to Jehovah an offering of the fruit of the ground.
Gen 4:4 And Abel also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat of it. And Jehovah had respect to Abel and to his offering,
Gen 4:5 but He did not have respect to Cain and to his offering. And Cain glowed with anger, and his face fell. [/quote]
Well it would seem that the first conflict on this earth was a religious one. Cain killed Able out of Jealousy because God showed Able’s sacrifice more attention than his own. And the act of violence was committed by the vegetarian side and their green movement. How’s that for a twist. And how strange it is that not much seems to have changed as we seem to be ending where we began! But we only know about it because someone kept a record of it and it was eventually committed to a written form.

Then we get to something interesting in the days of Noah!
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Gen 6:7 And Jehovah said, I will destroy man whom I have created, from the face of the earth, both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air. For I repent that I have made them.
Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of Jehovah.
Gen 6:9 These are the generations of Noah. Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations. Noah walked with God.
Gen 6:10 And Noah fathered three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
Gen 6:11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
Gen 6:12 And God looked upon the earth. And, behold, it was corrupted! For all flesh had corrupted its way upon the earth. [/quote]

Now for Noah to walk with God meant that there had to be a knowledge about God for him to know what he was doing. But the rest of society at that time were all off in another direction. So the Knowledge of God was by-en-large lost. Now Noah was obviously going against the grain and out of step with the normal society at that time. But he was the one that had it right.

But if we ever got our hands on a written record of that time concerning the accepted religious practices written by the scholars of that day and were able to read it the following would become obvious. It would be very ancient, it would be genuine and it would be labeled as authentic. Only problem is that it would obviously not be accurate. After all it would concern religious rituals that God found offensive and it would not be in our interest to start to practice them all over again. So old does not mean right!

But then we get to the point where the very start of the Israelite nation began to come about and the plan of redemption that was destined to take place many thousands of years later was started in motion.
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Gen 12:1 And Jehovah said to Abram, Go out of your country, and from your kindred, and from your father’s house into a land that I will show you.
Gen 12:2 And I will make you a great nation. And I will bless you and make your name great. And you shall be a blessing.
Gen 12:3 And I will bless those that bless you and curse the one who curses you. And in you shall all families of the earth be blessed. [/quote]
This is where the first covenant was to be established and God was to breed up his holy nation in the earth. It is from this point that the scriptures stopped being just a general record and started to be a specific record about this Holy Nation.

Now we come to an interesting record concerning the fall of nations.
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Gen 15:12 And it happened as the sun was setting, and a deep sleep fell upon Abram. And, behold, a horror of great darkness fell upon him!
Gen 15:13 And He said to Abram, You must surely know that your seed shall be a stranger in a land not theirs, and shall serve them. And they shall afflict them four hundred years.
Gen 15:14 And also I will judge that nation whom they shall serve. And afterward they shall come out with great substance.
Gen 15:15 And you shall go to your fathers in peace. You shall be buried in a good old age.
Gen 15:16 But in the fourth generation they shall come here again, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full. [/quote]

Now here God was telling Abraham that his decedents were going to be going into bondage into Egypt for 400 years. An event that was at that time still two generations away. But this is the interesting part and it is from this that we get the understanding that judgment only falls on the generation that is ready for it.

The land that God promised to Abraham belonged to the Amorites at that time. But this nation was still close enough to God that he was not prepared to sweep them away yet. In other words they still had a true knowledge of God. But God knew the direction that they were going to be going in and that in 500 years they would be so far gone that they would be ready for his judgments and that the land could be given to another people that were more worthy. It was not that God was not giving these nations warnings as well. After all it was during Abrahams time that Sodom got blasted as a warning to all. But the lesson was obviously brushed aside.

Now we are finding old religious writings from that period that belonged to the Amorites and Philistines etc. And they are indeed authentic and do represent the religious practices of that region at that time. Only problem is that God couldn’t stand the sight of them. So it would be safe to assume that there was something horribly wrong with their religious practices and that we should not be considering them as something to place our own faith in or emulate in any way. If anything it should be a study on how things go off the rails and what the results are likely to be! That concept can be reinforced when it is considered that whenever the Israelites drifted away from their God and started to copy the practices of these nations around them they also started to come under the curse as well.

So all things considered, finding old writings that predate the Bible do not mean that the Bible is inaccurate or that the older writings carry more weight or that the older writings are more pure or closer to God in any way. They are just old but not necessarily accurate from Gods perspective. They should be taken as a warning of what NOT to do!

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This is a link to a secular record of the exodus as viewed from the Egyptian side.

http://www.henryzecher.com/papyrus_ipuwer.htm

People do try and explain it away but lets face it. How often do all the waters in the land turn to blood. As far as I know it has only happened once in recorded history.

And with the nations army drowned Egypt was wide open for the plunder.

The Cross

The Cross

written by traveler

Often in Christian circles we hear talk of the old rugged cross and reference of being backed up to the cross etc, which all sounds so spiritual but what does the cross really mean. One thing that many miss is that Jesus was talking about the need to take up our own personal cross and follow him long before he himself actually got nailed to the cross to make the atonement for our salvation.

The thing is that Christ’s Cross may be central to the worlds redemption but the cross in general and what it means in relation to our own spiritual walk encompasses a great deal more. Take a look at the passage below, note the time frame of the topic covered, this was well before Jesus was himself crucified and he was teaching that we also have to take up our own crosses and what they represent.

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Mat 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

Mat 16:22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.

Mat 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Mat 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

Mat 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Mat 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

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Consider what is revealed in verse 22 of the above passage. The message of the cross is very offensive to the natural thoughts of men. Peter was having trouble dealing with this and yes Satan does and will take advantage of this revulsion of the cross so as to derail the will of God but Jesus makes it quite clear that God comes first and the revulsion of the cross has to be endured if you ever intend to be accepted of God.

Now to understand what is happening here you have to grasp the significance of what the cross actually represents in the contexts of this society. The cross represents total rejection by the people of this world. Rejection to the point where the society of the day wants nothing more than to kill you and get rid of you and remove you from its midst with prejudice. It is after all the death penalty of that day like the electric chair or the lethal injection is today.

To be a friend of the world is to accept caesars way and come into agreement with ceasar but to be accepted by God requires being rejected by the caesars of the day and submitting to Christ instead and coming into agreement with God. You can only serve one master which means you have to reject the other which in turn requires that you have to endure the consequences of that decision and that is the burden of your own personal cross. For quite some time now here in the west Christ has been the establishment and the cross has not carried a price but this is not the normal and certainly was not the case in the days of the original Apostles. Because of this the full significance of what the cross represents has been forgotten but all that is about to change. Caesar is again regaining his hold and Christ is becoming more and more rejected by the world here in the west and the burden of the cross is going to once again have meaning to those that would follow Christ and seek after God. The time has come where the saints are going to have to once again carry the full weight of their own crosses just as the early saints had to under the rule of Rome. Being rejected by the world because of the offence of the cross of Christ is called persecution and the objective of the persecution is to bring the saints to the point where the burden of the cross becomes too much to bare and they fall away to the point where they once again submit to the caesar of the generation just to get by.

Now this natural desire to conform and be accepted as a part of the greater is used by Satan to corrupt and entice. Hence the reason Jesus made it very clear that there can not be any real compromise and you have to make a solid choice regarding who you are to serve in the full knowledge of what the price is going to be. But this same need for acceptance can and is used to corrupt the doctrines of the very faith that the saints cling to. The saints may be rejected by the world but they in turn cling to each other and seek acceptance amongst themselves which in turn opens the door for a corrupting influence to gain a toe hold. Consider the passage below.

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Gal 6:12 As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ.

Gal 6:13 For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh.

Gal 6:14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

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In both the passage above and the one below we see an example of religious persecution at work. In Christ the saints are under grace because Christ himself is our sacrifice but there was and still is a push to bring back the old laws of the old covenant which in itself renders the sacrifice of Christ of no effect. The tool used to make this happen is the desire of acceptance by the perceived greater, when in reality it is nothing of the sort. To be circumcised is to be bound to the old laws which in reality only applies to the nation of Israel, no gentile nation was represented at Mount Sinai when God gave Moses the laws. But by bringing the church under the law the redemtion done by Christ gets rejected. In essence being enticed to come into agreement with a false doctrine has the same effect as being enticed into coming into agreement with caesar or the world system of the day. The lesson learnt is that to carry your cross applies to both the world and also religious settings as well.

You will notice that a lot of the modern denominations are trying to retain acceptance from our modern world system. They have lost the understanding of what it means to bare ones own cross and just how important it is. Those are the denominations that are basically in free fall. The worlds systems are offended by Christ. If the church is not an offence to the world system then you need to ask if there is any of the real Christ left in it to cause the offence that should be there. To demonstrate, if you want to clear a crowded room all you need to do is to start preaching about Christ and the salvation message, in no time flat half the people will have cleared out, if you do not want to be an offence and do not want the people clearing out the room then you have to compromise on the gospel to the point where it no longer is a gospel with any effect or power. If you are solid in Christ you will be an offence to people and you will be rejected by men, that should be the price you are willing to pay and the cross that you will have to bare. Paul explained this in verse 11 of the passage below.

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Gal 5:10 I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.

Gal 5:11 And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.

Gal 5:12 I would they were even cut off which trouble you.

Gal 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

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Now the severity of the cross is demonstrated in the passage below. The rejection by the world of the cross of Christ will split families, To follow Christ properly will require a commitment that leaves no real room of compromise, You all know the attitude directed to family members that go all religious etc. Well consider the Muslim boy that goes Christian, They understand the full burden of the cross.

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Luk 14:25 And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them,

Luk 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Luk 14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

Luk 14:28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?

Luk 14:29 Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him,

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If there is one thing that the modern church and the saints need today it is a clear understanding of what the cross represents and what it means to them personally. In times past the saints embraced the cross understanding its cost but also with the understanding of the reward that is to follow. However those that have the most to lose are the ones that will have the greatest trouble because of the enticements of mammon. Jesus explained this very well in the passage below.

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Mar 10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

Mar 10:22 And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.

Mar 10:23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!

Mar 10:24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!

Mar 10:25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Mar 10:26 And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved?

Mar 10:27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.

Mar 10:28 Then Peter began to say unto him, Lo, we have left all, and have followed thee.

Mar 10:29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel’s,

Mar 10:30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

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Now that passage gives a lay out of the requirements but also the promises. However the same rule applies regarding the carrying of ones cross as shown in verse 30. You do get a restoration but along with it comes the persecutions as well. To follow God is to suffer the rejection of the world as well.

Understanding Salvation (tested)

Understanding Salvation (tested)

Written by Traveler, testing by prophet Michelle

Understanding salvation is in fact a multi layered topic. You have the basic where you get the simple message of how you go about it but this is followed by how it works, which takes you on a journey deep into the legalities of the word and the functioning of the Kingdom.

By the time the journey is over the questions of why God created us and how satan fell and caused our fall along with just who God is and who Jesus is all has to be covered along with the question of just what truth actually is. Keep in mind that creation is not just about physical items and creatures created, but also the governing structures that operate over it.

Salvation means to save so the question is just what is it that we are supposed to be saving. Well the answer is that we are supposed to be saving our souls. There is a difference between our souls and our spirits and our bodies. All three of this items make up our complete whole as we exist at this time.

 

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Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

As you can see from that verse there is a distinction between our souls and our spirit. But also that our reactions to the word of God can be used to determine our thoughts and motives.

(Michelle, in the name of Jesus Christ who came in the flesh and died for your sins. When a person is confronted with the Word of God they are convicted of their sins. They will either repent of those sins or become puffed up in pride. They will either submit to the lessons of the Word, or will dismiss them and go on their own way in their own pride. There are only those two options. The Word can at first be rejected, but a person will be confronted again and again before being turned over to their own minds. In the name of Jesus Christ who came in the flesh and died for your sins, yeas this is correct.)

 

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Mar 8:36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Mar 8:37 Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Now here it is Jesus talking. He is pointing out the value of our souls. How are we to measure our souls worth. In essence our souls are us, Our souls are our personalities and our memories. The consciousness of ourselves. The part of us that continues after our bodies grow old and die. This is why we want to save our souls.

(In the name of Jesus Christ who came in the flesh and died for your sins. Yes, the soul is what is in development to be able to commune more fully with me, and will become My companion as the desired result. Those souls who come to Me through My Son will be given the opportunities to develop in Me and to learn how to commune first and then be in companionship later. Yes, Michelle, Jesus Christ came in the flesh and died for your sins. This is correct)

 

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Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Now here Jesus is pointing out the need for us to save our souls. He is saying to us to not to fear other men who can only destroy our bodies but not our souls. Rather we fear God who has the power to destroy both our bodies and souls. As it says in the book of Proverbs. The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.

So now the big question is just how do we save our souls. Well the short answer is that we can’t ! At least not in our own strength. The reason is that we have been born into a fallen world as fallen beings and are basically separated from God. All life is dependant on God for its extended existence so the only way that we can save our souls and by extension our selves is to reestablish our link with God the creator of creation.

Unfortunately even there we have a problem because we are not actually able to get into contact with God in our own strength either. We need God to reach down to us because we cannot reach up to him. The good news of the gospels is that this is exactly what has happened. To get the ball rolling we need a mediator. Someone that can stand in the space between us and God to bring about a reconciliation.

(Michelle, in the name of Jesus Christ who came in the flesh and is seated at the right hand of the Father, I have given life, and I can take life away. Not only physical life, but eternal life is in My hands. To fear the created is vain, and leads to bondage. To fear the Creator is life and leads to freedom. Once a person is at this point of fearing for their very soul, then the wisdom of salvation begins. They will then start on their journey to becoming Who I have made them to be. In the name of Jesus Christ who came in the flesh..Yes, all is correct, Michelle.)

 

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Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Now that is quite a well known verse but there are a few things that need to be pointed out with it. The first is that it shows God reaching down to a lost world and the motivation was Love. However it should be noted that love is not the only emotion displayed by God. Keep in mind that the flood in Noah’s day was an extinction level event, For all flesh to be corrupted indicates that something went wrong and a clean up was required. When he sent the angle of death to kill all the firstborn of Egypt it was not an act of love, it was retribution for the Pharaoh ordering all the male children of the Israelites killed at birth. It must be kept in mind that God is not only the God of love he is also the God of Judgment. In effect God really is the God of everything.

(Michelle Jesus Christ came in the flesh and died for your sins. My Judgment is My love. Even though My judgments are seen as evil as they are gone through, when they are seen looking back, it is realized that the judgments brought good. They are necessary for a people to return to me in fear and trembling. It is necessary for those who do not know Me and for those who do know Me. Most who know Me will not admit that they need Judgment, they will point their finger as all others for the reason for the Judgment, they will not examine their own heart until the Judgment is come into their own lives. Then they will repent. Then they will return to me. In the name of Jesus Christ who came in the flesh and died for your sins, yes, all is correct)

The next thing to note is that God sent his Son, who is the person we know as Jesus the Christ, into this world with the intention that individual people or souls could be saved through him. The promise is that everlasting life will be made available through him to those that put their belief in him. Of course we also need to look at what faith is and how to define it etc.

(Michelle, Jesus Christ came in the flesh and dided for your sins. Belief in the Son that has been given as the replacement sacrifice for all of those who will believe is faith. This is the faith that will cause the hand of the Father to move upon the person, and to cause a renewal of the spirit so that communion can be obtained. This is the only way for the lost to come to communion with the Father, is through their belief in Jesus as their Savior. In the name of My only begotten Son, Jesus Christ, who came in the flesh and died for your sins.)

Now you notice that Christ was not sent into the world to condemn the world but to save it. God has reserved the judgment of souls for himself. In other scriptures we are instructed not to take revenge etc because that is a form of Judgment. It remains the responsibility of God alone to do the judgments at the end. Jesus is here because God sent him to save as many souls as possible before the day of Judgment. As described in the following verses.

(Yes, Michelle, Jesus Christ came in the flesh and died for your sins, and is seated at My right hand. I am the Judge and executor of My Law. My Son is not the Judge or the executor, He is the Savior. He is the one Who I have appointed for all creation to come through to come to Me in spirit and in truth. Only by belief in Him, and faith that I will renew their spirit does the salvation happen)

 

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Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Now those that are saved by Christ do not actually face this judgment because they will have already been judged in Christ before this time. How that works is covered in the legalities of Gods laws and the mechanisms involved in redemption. But this verse is to be noted. The only real way to get back to God is to do it his way as laid out in his plan of salvation.

(Michelle, in the name of Jesus Christ who came in the flesh and died for your sins, My Judgment seat, the great white throne of Judgment at the end of the age is where I completely separate the wheat from the tares. This is the final separation. All those who will choose will have chosen. Those who have come or have gone will have done so by their own free will. This is where the next development of souls will begin. As the old has passed away, the new will begin. Yes, Michelle, Jesus Christ came in the flesh and died for your sins, all is correct throughout the whole document.)

 

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Act 4:11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

So now we know that salvation and being saved is found in the name of Jesus only. That now opens up a whole lot of new question such as why is the salvation in this one person only. What is so special about him that he can save us from the Day of Judgment even if he is the Son Of God.

The answer to that question lies in why we are in a state where we are unable to come to God on our own. Why we are in a fallen state. It all goes back to the Garden of Eden and the fall of Adam. Its all found there in the book of Genesis but the part of interest is in the verses below.

 

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Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
Gen 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
Gen 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
Gen 3:9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? Gen 3:10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
Gen 3:11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

Now it is to be noted here that Adam and Eve had not had any offspring at the time that they disobeyed God and ate of the fruit from this particular tree that they were told not to touch. But the most interesting part is the changes that they underwent. A spiritual change took place in them and the changes were so pronounced that they actually started to try to hide from God even though up to that point in time they openly communed with him.

What had happened was that the parents of the human race suffered a spiritual change ,described as death, with the result that all who are descended from them will carry the same change and that change is what has placed a block that prevents us from being able to commune with God as we were once supposed to be able to do. You could call it the longest running generational curse ever. In effect our separation from God is a result of Sin. It is the sin that has to be dealt with.

If we are ever to get back to the state we once enjoyed with God we are going to have to reverse that change in our spirits. That is what being born again is all about. It is a rebirth of our spirits, not our bodies or our souls.

(Michelle, In the name of Jesus Christ who came in the flesh and died for your sins. Their spirits knew a simple faith. A simple trust. Only in Me did they look to for the fulfilling of their needs. Only to Me did they place their worship. As the knowledge of pride and good and evil came upon them, they were then split in their faith. Their faith then was placed on what they could do for themselves, and what they could gain by communing with Me. Their spirits then became decayed because of this motive of their heart was not upon pleasing Me, and communing with Me, and looking to Me, but to themselves. This was planned. This was planned for their soul development. Their souls were at the maximum state of growth in their current environment. Satan, the dragon of old…he was used for a purpose unknown to him. What he meant for evil, I meant for good. No, Michelle, this is meat on top of the milk that will be told. The meat is for you, and for others that will be coming. This is for those who will understand and who are searching for a deeper understanding of My Word. Yes, Michelle in the name of Jesus who came in the flesh and died for your sins, all is correct.)

 

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Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Joh 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
Joh 4:26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

Now notice what Jesus said in verse 24 here. God is Spirit. Our point of contact with God is through our spirits and it is God that is looking for those that will be able to do this. But of course on our own we can’t so that is why Christ was sent to put in place this plan of salvation so as to fix this situation. In order to achieve that it is the original sin that has to be dealt with. Not only that but all the other sins which we engage in as a result of our fallen nature and that brings us back to what makes Jesus so special.

As no descendant of Adam in the natural is able to reach God because of the original fall, then we need someone who is not a descendant of Adam. But that someone has to be human as well so as to represent humanity. This was achieved through the virgin birth.

 

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Luk 1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
Luk 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
Luk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Luk 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Luk 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Luk 1:36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.
Luk 1:37 For with God nothing shall be impossible.
Luk 1:38 And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

Now the virgin birth is absolutely essential to the Christian faith in that this is what actually qualifies Jesus to be mankinds redeemer. When Jesus was conceived his Father was not human or a descendant of Adam. It was the Holy Spirit or God Himself. Hence he did not inherit the fallen spirit nature of Adam and his spirit was already in tune with the spirit of God his natural Father. But because he was born through Mary he was also human with a human body.

This made him unique and innocent of the human fallen nature. Yes he was tempted to sin in his own earthly life just like the rest of us but because he did not have the fallen nature he was able to recognize and grasp the implications and resist the temptations.

(Michelle, Jesus Christ came in the flesh and died for your sins, He is now seated at My right hand side interceding for those who are His. Yes, Jesus was made with a renewed spirit already placed in Him. He was born as the first Adam in this regard, with a spirit already able to commune with Me, His God. He knew no sin for He did not succumb to temptation because he did not have the seed of man, but the incorruptible seed of the Me, His Father. His spirit was alive, and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him at His baptism in order for Him to endure the temptations and testings, and in order for Him to fulfill what I had planned for Him to fulfill. No, Michelle, it was not the Holy Spirit in Jesus that He was born with, but a renewed spirit within Him. All is correct throughout in the name of Jesus Christ who came in the flesh and died for your sins.)

 

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Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Heb 2:15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Heb 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

And that little section of scripture basically confirms all I have pointed out so far. Jesus partook of flesh and blood like us. He was tempted like us but he is also able to make reconciliation between us and God by dealing with the sin that separates us and God.

(Michelle, in the name of Jesus Christ who came in the flesh and died for your sins. The shift was felt in that the fear of satan was rendered useless. He cannot steal the souls of those who will choose to fear the Lord their God. The spirit of the renewed will testify within them that to fear the One who can destroy their souls is more worthy to be honored that the one who can only take their bodies. This power exchange was felt in hell as Jesus trampled on the very principalities and demons that were in power. The reality is that the victory is won, but the walking through for the development of souls is still in progress. Time has not caught up to time. But it is speeding in that direction, and soon, very soon, the next age will be upon creation. Glorious things and opportunities await My own who have been faithful and who have endured until the end. Yes, Michelle, in the name of Jesus Christ who came in the flesh and died for your sins, all is correct throughtout)

 

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Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

Now those verses we are introduced to the cross. It was on the cross that Jesus reconciled us to God and enabled us to become citizens of God’s kingdom.

The next section of verses say basically the same thing.

 

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Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
Col 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
Col 1:21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
Col 1:22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

God used the blood shed on Christ’s cross to reconcile all things to himself. How this works is twofold. God may be a merciful God but he is also a just God. He cannot allow the laws to be broken without consequences. We are separated from God by sin, that is transgression of the laws going all the way back to Adam from the present. The punishment for that transgression is going to be metered out one way or another. We all stand as convicted felons awaiting out day at the gallows. That day is the day of judgment spoken of earlier. But if someone else who is innocent, willingly takes our punishment for us then justes has been served and the punishment metered out and we are set free from the curse of the law that condemned us.

(Michelle, in the name of Jesus Christ who came in the flesh and died for your sins. I am a just God, the Almighty. There is no greater love than this…that a Father will give up the life of His Son only begotten, and place the blame of the whole of creation’s sins upon him. There is no greater love that while I was unable to lok upon these My people, that I gave Him for their souls. I will not look upon sin. I do not change the sin within into something righteous. My Son’s blood washes away that sin so that I do not see it. I do not wink at sin. I am a HOLY and JUST God who will not tolerate any pride that I see upon My people. This is what happened at the cross. All sin for all people who will believe upon Him will be washed by His blood. The creation then is made new by the repentance. Thus the reason they are able to enter into my throne room of Justice that is made into a throne room of Grace. This Grace is only obtained through the sacrifice of a priest. The priest is required to give a blood sacrifice for the covering of sins. Before, this was a symbolic covering looking forward toward the perfect sacrifice of Jesus. Time had not caught up with time then. It has now. Jesus is the High Priest that shed his own blood for the atonement of sins. He is the Priest that the temple is symbolic of. Yes, Michelle, in the name of Jesus who came in the flesh and died for your sins, all is correct)

 

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Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

The second part of course is the renewing of our spirit so that the reconciliation can be complete. This again is something that has to be done by God. It is not something that can be done by ourselves.

 

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Tit 3:3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
Tit 3:4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Tit 3:6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
Tit 3:7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Now we are introduced to the word grace. In this context it means as a free gift. Something given by God without the expectation of payment. It was out of an act of kindness and love that God sent his Son Jesus the Christ to redeem us and reconcile us to himself. The dictionary definition of Grace is this.

 

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From G5463; graciousness (as gratifying), of manner or act (abstract or concrete; literal, figurative or spiritual; especially the divine influence upon the heart, and its reflection in the life; including gratitude): – acceptable, benefit, favour, gift, grace (-ious), joy liberality, pleasure, thank (-s, -worthy).

However there is something that we do have to do on our side and that is the renewing of our mind or soul. God may do the job of reconciling us to himself and renewing our spirit but we are responsible for training our own souls so that we start to do the things that are acceptable for the kingdom of God. We cannot keep walking in sin and expect God to keep renewing our spirit.

(In the name of Jesus Christ who came in the flesh and died for your sins. Yes, it is correct that the Father renews the spirit within those who believe upon Jesus as their Savior. Yes, it is true that these do have a part in keeping in the Word, and in Prayer, and in worship to the Father, and in thanksgiving and praise to the Son. As these ones keep in these holy acts, they will realize that their very soul nature will change. They will have to resist temptation, and turn from sin, yes, but it becomes an act of obedience and worship that is then blessed by the Father. Yes, Michelle in the name of Jesus Christ who came in the flesh and died for your sins)

 

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Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

And the other proof verse that points out that to continue in the sins of this world is not acceptable.

 

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Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Now we may have a lot of lee way on that one but understand that to behave in a disrespectful way towards the gift that God gave you does have consequences.

(Michelle, in the name of Jesus Christ who came in the flesh and died for your sins. Only God knows the heart of a man. Only He knows when he is not able to be redeemed back to the Fahter. All those who I call My own should keep spreading the Word of the Gospel, and keep in all manner of teachings and all manner of encouragement and all manner of every other gift to reconcile those who fall away. Only God the Father is able to pass the judgment of un reconciliation. This will keep My own from passing judgment on those who have become lukewarm or backslidden in their faith of Me. Your obedience will save those that others will have cast off. Your obedience will soften those hearts that have had this verse said to them in condemnation. Yes, there are those who are beyond reconciliation. They have forever turned their back on Me, and they do this with a full knowledge of what they do. There is a warning to not slide so far out of My throne room that you become ensnared in the sins of the world, or are tempted to succumb to the higher things of the world, which in many cases breed pride and the falling away of many souls. Pride is the root of many sins. Pride will cause many to not seek salvation. The judgments are to show these souls where their sin of pride is. Once they understand, then those who have stayed with Me through the judgments will operated in a state of grace to those who will be broken in their state of repentance. There is much work to be done, and few are the workers. Grace and peace to you in the name of Jesus Christ who came in the flesh and died for your sins. All is correct throughout. Well done.)

Forgiveness

Forgiveness

Written by Traveler

I have noticed that this has become a hot topic lately, not surprising considering how many have been offended and hold grudges as a result. In fact unforgiveness has become a slow poison that has started to become quite noticeable among the saints, especially among those that fellowship on the web. Because of this it may be a good idea to look at this subject from a scriptural perspective but with the verses in their full context so that a distorted doctrine can be avoided.

There is a reason why forgiveness is strived for and that is because of the need for reconciliation, but not from our perspective, from Gods perspective. It is the need for reconciliation between men and God. It is Gods will that all be forgiven and brought into reconciliation with himself through Christ but this cannot happen if unforgiveness is the obstacle that is preventing this from happening. Part of dying to self is placing Gods will ahead of our own! To be a servant of God is to operate in accordance with his priorities first, not our own.

To demonstrate, below is a passage that none seem to want to take into consideration when dealing with this subject. It concerns how to treat your enemies, not how to forgive them.

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Rom 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

Rom 12:20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.

Rom 12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

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There is no getting past this, helping to heap burning coals on someone’s head is not an act of forgiveness but doing good to them that hate you is a witness that can soften an enemy and bring about a form of repentance that can lead to reconciliation between that person and God down the road. This passage is looking at things from Gods perspective and we do it in obedience to God. Either the enemy will come to God and be forgiven or he will rebel further and be condemned, but he no longer has the excuse of no witness, However it is God that makes that final decision, not us. We just remain in submission to our Lord. Note that there is no stipulation in that passage that forgiveness has to be given unless asked for and repentance seen. Only that we return good for evil!

There is of course the other side of the coin, take for example the Lords prayer and what Jesus had to say about it.

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Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

Mat 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

Mat 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

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Now that passage above is often sited as a blanket statement that we are required to give unqualified forgiveness to all and sundry regardless of if there is any form of repentance seen or not. Look closer at the objective of the prayer. You are asking God for forgiveness, it is not an automatic thing that you are forgiven and saved from hell, if you do not ask for forgiveness. That is why in the Lords prayer we are instructed to ask for it.

But Jesus is pointing out that we are all sinners saved by grace and none of us are any better than the other or more righteous than our neighbour. It is pure hypocrisy to ask for forgivingness from God if we are not able to forgive our brethren that ask it of us as well. That includes forgiving ourselves.

This principle is explained so well in the parable Jesus told below.

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Mat 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?

Mat 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

Mat 18:23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants.

Mat 18:24 And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents.

Mat 18:25 But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.

Mat 18:26 The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.

Mat 18:27 Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt.

Mat 18:28 But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest.

Mat 18:29 And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.

Mat 18:30 And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.

Mat 18:31 So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done.

Mat 18:32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:

Mat 18:33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?

Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.

Mat 18:35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

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Now in that Parable the king is God and the first servant is us. As God has dealt with us so we are expected to deal with our fellow servants in the body. ie; each other. The plea for mercy was given by both but just as the one was refused so the other was treated as well. There was no belligerence involved in either plea and forgiveness should have been given all round but where forgiveness is not sought there is no requirement for it to be given. God sets the example, we are expected to follow it!

The need for repentance to occur for forgiveness to be given is demonstrated well in the passage below. But also the warning of what happens if repentance for harm done is not sought.

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Luk 17:1 Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come!

Luk 17:2 It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.

Luk 17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.

Luk 17:4 And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.

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First thing to note is from verse 3 where it states that if he repents then you are required to forgive him. I point that out because the problem we are facing as a body is that this repentance is not occurring and the unforgiveness is now becoming a real problem.

Now lets have some straight talk here and this applies mainly to the body that is attempting to fellowship on the web.

Religiosity and self righteousness are rampant on the forums as self appointed protectors of the sheep distribute blow after blow on those that are pressing in and leaving the wounded to fester in disarray while creating enemies of the gospels rather than disciples of Christ. The message given is Mormons are cults, JW’s are cults, Seven-day Adventists are cults, Roman Catholics are the whore of Babylon, Evangelicals are white supremests, Assemblies of God are cults, the list just goes on and on. Yet they are all reading from the same bibles and looking to Christ for their atonement. Each denomination developing their own spin on the doctrines they hold. And the bannings and tearing down continues unabated in a disgusting display of the modern day inquisitions.

We all have a common bible and a common faith in the blood of Christ, if left to talk or even argue with each other the scriptures would be explored and all would gradually come into unity despite the denominational differences but the God-sticks keep flying and the beatings intensify until bannings occur and communications cut off mid stride leaving no chance of reconciliation or repentance so resentment festers and unforgiveness blooms into full blossom. The winners and leader of the lynch mobs continue on without a care in the world looking for the next blasphemer to excommunicate totally oblivious to the carnage they leave in their wake and then when they start to feel the pinch they actually have the audacity to stand up and demand that they be forgiven as if it is their right, and the offenders are to be found on a multitude of forums.

There is a lot of leadership on the forums on the web that actually qualify for the mill stone around their necks as they are the offence that has cause the many to stumble but they do not grasp this as the banned have no voice to be heard and they have surrounded themselves with fellow wolves that run around praising each others tails so they all think all is well as a like minded clique. But the day of reckoning is coming while repentance to the offended can no longer take place as they are no longer there to receive it or forgive for it. This is repeated over and over in a ghastly display of religious bigotry that continues unabated.

So much for the fellowship of the saints and people are starting to wonder why there is so much unforgiveness surfacing as the remaining surviving flock learn to do the same exasperating the problem. Its absolutely ridicules.

Warnings about letting this kind of situation develop is given in the passage below.

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2Co 2:4 For out of much affliction and anguish of heart I wrote unto you with many tears; not that ye should be grieved, but that ye might know the love which I have more abundantly unto you.

2Co 2:5 But if any have caused grief, he hath not grieved me, but in part: that I may not overcharge you all.

2Co 2:6 Sufficient to such a man is this punishment, which was inflicted of many.

2Co 2:7 So that contrariwise ye ought rather to forgive him, and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one should be swallowed up with overmuch sorrow.

2Co 2:8 Wherefore I beseech you that ye would confirm your love toward him.

2Co 2:9 For to this end also did I write, that I might know the proof of you, whether ye be obedient in all things.

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One thing I have noticed over time is that a persons understanding of scripture will differ from others depending on the type of ministry they are called to or the gifts they are given. Deciphering scripture as the letter of the law does not work very well unless the objective of what that law is trying to achieve is also applied. Complete unity in the brethren only occurs when the objectives of the gospels as viewed from Gods perspective is strived for. Each ministry will interpret the scriptures from the perspective of their own ministry. To an evangelist certain scriptures will stand out more, to a prophet others stand out more, to one in a ministry of helps different scriptures will again be more prominent to him.

Now realistically speaking, what do you think becomes of all those banned saints that did not fit into the predominant clique of a particular group. None of you involved are going to know because you are not going to have any contact with them anymore are you. Out of sight and out of mind. Did they find fellowship somewhere else or did they withdraw further into the wilderness or were they baby saints that turned their backs on the gospels altogether and who’s souls are now going to be required from your hands when Christ returns. How can you know as the very unforgiving act of a permanent ban was applied and they can never return. They are unforgiven by the banners and lynch mobs but the banners can’t figure out why they are themselves unforgiven. Go figure!

Now when it comes to sin and the forgiveness of it this passage is a blanket statement.

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1Jn 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

1Jn 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

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Until the saints as a body can reign in the sinners that consider themselves the protectors of righteousness for the flock and understand that all the saints are on an equal footing of unrighteousness in the eyes of God and all have to extend the same kindness they have received from God towards each other, then the continues cycles of unforgiveness will never end but will steadily grow worse.

But the change has to start with you the readers.

God forgives with the repentance of the sinner, he expects us to follow his example. If any of us wishes to be reconciled with God we also out of necessity have to be reconciled with all that turn to Christ for their salvation as well. There are not going to be any cliques in the kingdom of heaven. That means we also have to receive the forgiveness from those we have rejected and give forgiveness to those same as in a two way street. With this is also required the appropriate acts of repentance. The idea that all have to forgive without undoing damage done where possible and that forgiveness is a right to be demanded as automatic are obviously mistaken and headed for judgement themselves.

Take it to hart, this is the way it is!

They cannot Believe

They cannot Believe

Written by traveler

For some time now I have been wondering about the total lack of belief that can be found in our modern societies, this is belief in almost anything. The demands for proof with the bar set so high it can’t even be considered a legitimate question any more. People cannot even believe what they see with their own eyes or hear with their own ears. It is as if they have entered into a form of forced reality that they physically cannot break free from.

While thinking about this, this was the piece of scripture that was brought to mind so I looked it up. The verses of interest are the last two.

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Luk 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

Luk 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

Luk 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

Luk 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

Luk 16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

Luk 16:27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house:

Luk 16:28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

Luk 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

Luk 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

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Now one thing that becomes obvious is that everybody seems to believe in everything only once it is too late. They believe that they are being sold out by their political leadership only after they end up in the concentration camps, They believe in UFO’s only after they have been abducted. They believe in demons only after they have been possessed by them. They believe in Jesus only after they end up in hell. It is as if the mind has been blocked and no matter who is telling them what they seem to choose not to believe as an act of their own will. And if you think about it this trait goes back centuries. The earth is round, Oh no it is not its flat, No it’s round I tell you. Blasphemer, burn him!

In the passage above you can see Jesus pointing out this same trait. The rich man is asking if he can go back and warn his brothers so they do not end up in the same fate. Now you would think that if you saw a dead relation come back and warn you about hell you would pay attention but Abraham is quite correct in that it will not work, The brothers would just rationalize it away and believe their own lies because they want to. An interesting trait is pointed out, if a person is going to believe they will believe right from the start, be it a long dead prophet like Moses or an eye witness etc. But if a person does not believe a report nothing new is going to change their minds until they are actually sitting in their misery and its too late for them to do anything to get out of their situation.

These are the charges that have been brought against the modern church.

These are the charges that have been brought against the modern church.

Written by traveler

The church has been entrusted with the word of God and the commands that our Lord Jesus gave to us. Each member has been given their gifts and ministries even if just in the area of helps but what has happened?

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Eze 20:24 Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers’ idols.

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The church has just repeated the exact same thing that the nation of Israel did in the past. Gods statutes were replaced by worldly wisdom. The worthless shepherds desired to please men and modified their preaching to gain numbers and secure the tithing rather than please God and trust God to meet their needs.

Jesus also had to confront this kind of issue and he gave us the example to follow, look at what happened here.

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Joh 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

Joh 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

Joh 6:58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

Joh 6:59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.

Joh 6:60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?

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Jesus only taught that which his Father God told him to speak so automatically you know that this was something that God told him to say and the reaction was of course quite predictable as the people equated this with cannibalism instead of staying around to get the spiritual significance of what was being taught. So the end result was this

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Joh 6:66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

Joh 6:67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?

Joh 6:68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

Joh 6:69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

Joh 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

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Now Jesus had just fed the five thousand, his popularity rating was at an all time high. Did he try to retain the pleasure of men? Or did he continue to seek the will of God despite the rejection of men?

If Jesus your Lord did not seek to secure his own position and reputation in the eyes of men then why are his shepherds striving to do so? Does not Gods word supercede the approval of fallen men? God will look after his own Kingdom and Christ will look after his own bride, as a servant of Christ your job is to be obedient to your own Lord without regard for your own reputations in the eyes of an already fallen world.

But what has developed is that the church is now littered with wolves and false apostles that are using the name of Jesus to build up their own ministries in their own names. They move in packs and coerce their own doctrines and excommunicate those that resist or take a stand for truth! They praise and exalt those that play their games and join in their deceptions and shred to pieces those that speak out. The wolf is always the first to cry blasphemy! And the flock isolated from the truth less the idol of mammon and social control be offended!

Woe to you worthless shepherds for hire, your end is the same as that of old.

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Eze 20:25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;

Eze 20:26 And I polluted them in their own gifts, in that they caused to pass through the fire all that openeth the womb, that I might make them desolate, to the end that they might know that I am the LORD.

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The flocks and the nations that you were given to protect and guide and shepherd will be given over to the delusions you authored and proclaimed in your arrogance and pride. As you compromised Gods council and rewrote the instruction of your Lord his Son, so you opened the door to the doctrines of devils and demons and now it is they that will rule over you. You will become their servant and they will destroy you with their own doctrines and counterfeit wonders until you are broken to repentance. Did you really think that if you did not repent at Gods warnings that he would not follow though with his judgments?

This not only happened in the old testament but is also recorded in the new as well. Here have a look at to days headlines and see what happens when you stand up and pretend to proclaim the whole council of God while twisting and rejecting the better half of it.

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Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

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This is where it is all headed and this is all just around the corner, The delusion is now firmly settling in place and as the judgments start to bite and the people turn to the deceptions you have wrought to find comfort this is what they are going to find. The shepherds have become the wolves and now the flocks can’t even tell the difference between God and Jesus their Lord anymore! Because the actual Gospel and full council of God was not taught how is the flock and the nations they belong to going to find their way out of this mess. Of what value is the security of your OWN ministries when God asks for an accounting of HIS flocks. Do you think that he will be holding your denominational doctrines above his own council and commandments?

The historical integrity of the Bible.

The historical integrity of the Bible.

One of the most annoying accusations is that there are manuscripts that have been found that are older than what the bible is supposed to be so therefore the bible has to be a false document. The real motive is to discredit the biblical scriptures rather than examine just where the bible actually comes from.

The bible itself is a historical record mainly devoted to the formation of the nation of Israel and Gods dealings with that nation as pertaining to the establishments of the covenants with that nation thus setting in place the chain of events that lead up to this day. It was originally started by Moses who had been raised and educated in the royal house of Egypt. The first book of the Bible is the Book of Genesis and clearly cover the events of human history prior to the establishment of that first covenant with Abraham which occurred over 400 years before Moses was even born.

So where did Moses get the records from that he used to write this first book. Clearly as he was educated in the Egyptian systems it would be logical to assume that he used the ancient Egyptian records as his starting point and then drew on the Israelite oral traditions to fill in the rest as pertaining to the Abrahamic lines. The books after that, Consisting of the Torah, all took place with Moses being an eye witness to the events and therefore he was just a recorder of the events and revelations as they unfolded. It is quite possible that it was in fact Moses that actually developed the Hebrew alphabet for his people in the first place. While the Israelites were doing their 40 year stint in the wilderness he had plenty of time to get all the records in place and writing system established. Those that remained with him all properly schooled and trained so that they could lead the nation into the promised land after they returned, and in a position to continue updating the records as they went through the Jordan.

So now where does that leave all the other traces of ancient religious literature? Well obviously God did not just appear on the scene when Abraham showed up. After all he was active with Noah and the tower of Babel and he did put a smite on Sodom. So of course there are going to be other records prior to the traditional bible but that does not mean that it is not the same God or that the traditional Bible is wrong. It just means that the scriptures represent a more organized form of record keeping, that’s all, and is the reason those records are so accessible today.

So when did all this religiosity stuff with God start and the ideas of sacrifices and rituals actually begin. Well believe it or not that is recorded in the Bible anyway. It started right in the beginning with Cain and Able, the very first two children that Adam and Eve gave birth to.
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Gen 4:3 And in the end of days, it happened, Cain brought to Jehovah an offering of the fruit of the ground.
Gen 4:4 And Abel also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat of it. And Jehovah had respect to Abel and to his offering,
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Well it would seem that the first conflict on this earth was a religious one. Cain killed Able out of Jealousy because God showed Able’s sacrifice more attention than his own. And the act of violence was committed by the vegetarian side and their green movement. How’s that for a twist. And how strange it is that not much seems to have changed as we seem to be ending where we began! But we only know about it because someone kept a record of it and it was eventually committed to a written form.

Then we get to something interesting in the days of Noah!
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Gen 6:7 And Jehovah said, I will destroy man whom I have created, from the face of the earth, both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air. For I repent that I have made them.
Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of Jehovah.
Gen 6:9 These are the generations of Noah. Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations. Noah walked with God.
Gen 6:10 And Noah fathered three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
Gen 6:11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
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Now for Noah to walk with God meant that there had to be a knowledge about God for him to know what he was doing. But the rest of society at that time were all off in another direction. So the Knowledge of God was by-en-large lost. Now Noah was obviously going against the grain and out of step with the normal society at that time. But he was the one that had it right.

But if we ever got our hands on a written record of that time concerning the accepted religious practices written by the scholars of that day and were able to read it the following would become obvious. It would be very ancient, it would be genuine and it would be labeled as authentic. Only problem is that it would obviously not be accurate. After all it would concern religious rituals that God found offensive and it would not be in our interest to start to practice them all over again. So old does not mean right!

But then we get to the point where the very start of the Israelite nation began to come about and the plan of redemption that was destined to take place many thousands of years later was started in motion.
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Gen 12:1 And Jehovah said to Abram, Go out of your country, and from your kindred, and from your father’s house into a land that I will show you.
Gen 12:2 And I will make you a great nation. And I will bless you and make your name great. And you shall be a blessing.
Gen 12:3 And I will bless those that bless you and curse the one who curses you. And in you shall all families of the earth be blessed. [/quote]
This is where the first covenant was to be established and God was to breed up his holy nation in the earth. It is from this point that the scriptures stopped being just a general record and started to be a specific record about this Holy Nation.

Now we come to an interesting record concerning the fall of nations.
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Gen 15:12 And it happened as the sun was setting, and a deep sleep fell upon Abram. And, behold, a horror of great darkness fell upon him!
Gen 15:13 And He said to Abram, You must surely know that your seed shall be a stranger in a land not theirs, and shall serve them. And they shall afflict them four hundred years.
Gen 15:14 And also I will judge that nation whom they shall serve. And afterward they shall come out with great substance.
Gen 15:15 And you shall go to your fathers in peace. You shall be buried in a good old age.
Gen 15:16 But in the fourth generation they shall come here again, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full. [/quote]

Now here God was telling Abraham that his decedents were going to be going into bondage into Egypt for 400 years. An event that was at that time still two generations away. But this is the interesting part and it is from this that we get the understanding that judgment only falls on the generation that is ready for it.

The land that God promised to Abraham belonged to the Amorites at that time. But this nation was still close enough to God that he was not prepared to sweep them away yet. In other words they still had a true knowledge of God. But God knew the direction that they were going to be going in and that in 500 years they would be so far gone that they would be ready for his judgments and that the land could be given to another people that were more worthy. It was not that God was not giving these nations warnings as well. After all it was during Abrahams time that Sodom got blasted as a warning to all. But the lesson was obviously brushed aside.

Now we are finding old religious writings from that period that belonged to the Amorites and Philistines etc. And they are indeed authentic and do represent the religious practices of that region at that time. Only problem is that God couldn’t stand the sight of them. So it would be safe to assume that there was something horribly wrong with their religious practices and that we should not be considering them as something to place our own faith in or emulate in any way. If anything it should be a study on how things go off the rails and what the results are likely to be! That concept can be reinforced when it is considered that whenever the Israelites drifted away from their God and started to copy the practices of these nations around them they also started to come under the curse as well.

So all things considered, finding old writings that predate the Bible do not mean that the Bible is inaccurate or that the older writings carry more weight or that the older writings are more pure or closer to God in any way. They are just old but not necessarily accurate from Gods perspective. They should be taken as a warning of what NOT to do!

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This is a link to a secular record of the exodus as viewed from the Egyptian side.

http://www.henryzecher.com/papyrus_ipuwer.htm

People do try and explain it away but lets face it. How often do all the waters in the land turn to blood. As far as I know it has only happened once in recorded history.

And with the nations army drowned Egypt was wide open for the plunder.